Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[CheekyTeeky]

We don't need to massclaim until we're losing. Hint: we're not losing.

[CheekyTeeky]

If we let Tails off the hook as HoB - he actually makes sense as Kayler

[CheekyTeeky]

Err Kaylee*

[Flicker]

RK: Enabler of high utility town power. Probably solved by massclaim? Strange claim flavorwise. Strange claim anything wise.

That's all 13 players. We're still missing a Kaylee, but Either Tails is Simon or one of Chara/CT/RR/RK is.

I think Kaylee could make sense as an enabler. A mechanic helps keep the ship functional; an enabler helps keep the power role functional.

Pedit: In what world does a bodyguard make sense for Kaylee?

[CheekyTeeky]

She's super loyal to Serenity particularly to Mal.

[CheekyTeeky]

Im just thinking how the puzzle resolves itself if Tails is not HoB and Chara is.

[Jingle]

We don't need to massclaim until we're losing. Hint: we're not losing.

No?

You don't massclaim until massclaim helps you win the game.

Assuming you're right, and Chara is scum (which presumably means you support wagoning and getting a claim from Chara) we have at most 3 unclaimed townies. Having them claim to see who they could match up to flavorwise is, y'know, optimal. Because it narrows down the scumpool.

Also Tails is pretty much confirmed not Kaylee via videos.

[CheekyTeeky]

Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.

[RightKnight]

Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.

I think there are a lot of clues to that. Need to talk with my hydra partner before moving our vote (if it isn’t there) {{

A50 a vote count please?

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Do we know how many scum and how many town and how many “other” exist?

The reason I ask is I am wondering if Jingle Tails and Gamma are all scum and Elsa and Mala as “Other”.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

About to internally scream at my job.

God help me today

Anything unsigned is probably Nancy btw

If you have any question just ask.

~~Math

[Toogeloo]

If Elsa isn't weak, why would she lose her BP hiding behind Thor?

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By this, it becomes confirmable that none of Gamma, Flicker, or I can be HoB2.

I'd like to think that I should be lumped in here as well since my claim doesn't really make sense if I were actually a Jailkeeper, unless you believe that I stopped a kill and then opted to claim Lightning Rod when I saw no other kills happened and figured that maybe any other tracks/watches/cops/other wouldn't incriminate me down the line.

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Maybe Mr. Universe if we have 10 town?

Why can't Chickadee be Role Cop? I still stand by my assertion that River makes a better Lightning Rod than any other role.

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So, who’s been pushing Chick?

I pushed Chick, and still continue to have some issue with the slot. For one, a lot of the convenient portions of the claim, for another the fact that it seems really mean that the mod would put a role in the game that requires actual flavor knowledge to possibly interpret results. On top of that, I'm not entirely sure why the mod would allow video results be shared and not breach any rules about sharing moderator PMs.

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I think the vig claiming now would be a bad idea because then the doc/Simon would have to protect us and the vig - if there is one.

Personally, I don't think we have a vig. I think Ari was our "vig."

[Toogeloo]

Actually...

Why in the hell would there even be a non-weak Hider with a BP vest in the first place. That whole thing just seems ludicrous.

[Gamma Emerald]

By *this* Im' referring to EJ's motivations, NOT solving what happened last night. I'm okay with that, but I find what EJ is saying and their continued hints that they're not actually town etc etc to be distasteful, anti-town, and want them gone once I run out of people I'm sure are scum to lynch. ^^

-Cerb

EJ's motivations have very clearly been "Survive to Endgame" the entire time. Like, most obvious motivation ever. Could be scum, could be survivor. The "Oops, I'm town" retraction was very clearly an attempt at WIFOM to keep himself alive. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the change from Doc to Hider is a fakeclaim to keep himself alive. I'm also not really worried about it, because the way he's gone about it means he's almost certainly not going to endgame us unless we drop the ball massively.

Funny thing is that EJ’s day-to-day play is Survivor-esque

[RightKnight]

If Elsa isn't weak, why would she lose her BP hiding behind Thor?

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By this, it becomes confirmable that none of Gamma, Flicker, or I can be HoB2.

I'd like to think that I should be lumped in here as well since my claim doesn't really make sense if I were actually a Jailkeeper, unless you believe that I stopped a kill and then opted to claim Lightning Rod when I saw no other kills happened and figured that maybe any other tracks/watches/cops/other wouldn't incriminate me down the line.

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Maybe Mr. Universe if we have 10 town?

Why can't Chickadee be Role Cop? I still stand by my assertion that River makes a better Lightning Rod than any other role.

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So, who’s been pushing Chick?

I pushed Chick, and still continue to have some issue with the slot. For one, a lot of the convenient portions of the claim, for another the fact that it seems really mean that the mod would put a role in the game that requires actual flavor knowledge to possibly interpret results. On top of that, I'm not entirely sure why the mod would allow video results be shared and not breach any rules about sharing moderator PMs.

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I think the vig claiming now would be a bad idea because then the doc/Simon would have to protect us and the vig - if there is one.

Personally, I don't think we have a vig. I think Ari was our "vig."

Because hiders usually die if they hide behind someone who dies.
Without the BP assuming she is telling the truth, she would be dead.
~~Math

[Toogeloo]

Why can't Chickadee be Role Cop? I still stand by my assertion that River makes a better Lightning Rod than any other role.

EBWOP: Why can't Chickadee be Mr. Universe?

[RightKnight]

Actually...

Why in the hell would there even be a non-weak Hider with a BP vest in the first place. That whole thing just seems ludicrous.

I am also down for Elsa lynch today as well.

Hence my question to him(?)

~~Math

[Gamma Emerald]

Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.

I think there are a lot of clues to that. Need to talk with my hydra partner before moving our vote (if it isn’t there) {{

A50 a vote count please?

}}

Do we know how many scum and how many town and how many “other” exist?

The reason I ask is I am wondering if Jingle Tails and Gamma are all scum and Elsa and Mala as “Other”.

~~Math

What why?

[RightKnight]

Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.

I think there are a lot of clues to that. Need to talk with my hydra partner before moving our vote (if it isn’t there) {{

A50 a vote count please?

}}

Do we know how many scum and how many town and how many “other” exist?

The reason I ask is I am wondering if Jingle Tails and Gamma are all scum and Elsa and Mala as “Other”.

~~Math

What why?

Jingle is making bad setup spec and is protecting a known liar when his(?) claim is shit.
Plus he is also protecting Tails.
You and he are a package deal.
Elsa is fishy AF
Mala claimed 3P.

[RightKnight]

Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.

I think there are a lot of clues to that. Need to talk with my hydra partner before moving our vote (if it isn’t there) {{

A50 a vote count please?

}}

Do we know how many scum and how many town and how many “other” exist?

The reason I ask is I am wondering if Jingle Tails and Gamma are all scum and Elsa and Mala as “Other”.

~~Math

What why?

Jingle is making bad setup spec and is protecting a known liar when his(?) claim is shit.
Plus he is also protecting Tails.
You and he are a package deal.
Elsa is fishy AF
Mala claimed 3P.

~~Math

[Jingle]

Shhhh. That's a secret.

And I just want people to hard commit to the 1v1s.

If we lynch Tails, and he flips Simon, then very clearly no one will claim protective because no one on the ship makes sense as a protective role. If no one claims protective, we can pretty much assume that Tails is Simon and don't have to flip him. If we have a protective claim (or better yet, TWO!) then we know one of the two of them is lying.

Similarly, if RK claims an enabler for something that doesn't exist, we know they probably aren't enabling town, because why would town lie about their role here? That means that flavorwise, Kaylee wouldn't make a lick of sense for the enabler and RK is probably scum. If RK claims to enable Buj's role, and no one else is a possible Mal, then we can reasonably assume RK to be town because how else would they know to fakeclaim that particular enable. If RK claims to enable something that's pretty much useless to us, then we know they're lying about being an enabler for a super important town role and they're probably scum.

Basically, forcing the 1v1's now means that scum doesn't get to pick their fights after seeing what people flip in the nightphase, which can only be helpful if there are remaining unaligned scum like Thor.

[Chara]

Toog: because Thor died. though i don't think Elsa is town anyway.

Cheeky: i'm more active today?

i don't think i'll be able to put in enough effort today for the outcome to be something besides a Tails lynch or a wagon on me. i'll still be around though.

this might save time or it might not: my claim would easily prove i'm town, but i'm not going to make it without a good reason. if i didn't know this i'm sure i'd be a lot more antsy from Cheeky's desire to lynch me, but as it stands i'm pretty fine with whatever. also sickness may contribute to that but i was feeling fine before.

today is Rational sheep day. Cheeky's reasoning on me being HoB is good reasoning, just happens to be wrong in this case. good call on Skygazer as well so if she's stuck between me and Tails, i'm happy with Tails.

[CheekyTeeky]

Personally, I don't think we have a vig. I think Ari was our "vig."

Im starting to agree with this, it would make sense for HoB to kill Thor but where did Thor's shot go? Unless he aimed for Elsa?

[Almost50]

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A50 a vote count please?

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~~Math

votecount

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Tails (5):	Reasonably Rational (3754),	CheekyTeeky (3803),	Gamma Emerald (3840),	BuJaber (3864),	Chara (3939),
Reasonably Rational (1):	Tails (3869),
Not voting (7):	Toogeloo,	RightNight,	Chickadee,	Flicker,	Elsa Jay,	Malakittens,	Jingle (3899),

(expired on 2018-11-15 18:45:00) remain.

Nothing changed.

[Chara]

and massclaim is more beneficial if we can actually take advantage of it while having mislynches left. that much is true. and Jingle's right about trapping scum in claims too.

pedit: he might have? personally i think Elsa is a weird shot for scum to make considering the distrust there and his claim.

[Gamma Emerald]

Jingle if you use your head a little bit I think you can figure out the remaining roles and see why RR is wagoning Tails based on the clues.

I think there are a lot of clues to that. Need to talk with my hydra partner before moving our vote (if it isn’t there) {{

A50 a vote count please?

}}

Do we know how many scum and how many town and how many “other” exist?

The reason I ask is I am wondering if Jingle Tails and Gamma are all scum and Elsa and Mala as “Other”.

~~Math

What why?

Jingle is making bad setup spec and is protecting a known liar when his(?) claim is shit.
Plus he is also protecting Tails.
You and he are a package deal.
Elsa is fishy AF
Mala claimed 3P.

1) Jingle was also pushing Tails for a time?
2) I assume you think me+Jingle+Tails are all teamed. Who do you think is last HoB?