Micro 831: Great Idea Mafia (Game Over)

[Bicephalous Bob]

It turns out I was wrong about everything concerning Taz. Gamma is a weird nightkill for basically anyone, I think. It could be mylo now, so be careful with your votes.

Massclaim?

[Maruchan]

I'm ok with massclaim

[Micc]

yeah pop corn mass claim is probably correct. I thinking kittenlicks or maruchan going first but idk to be honest. I haven't spent any time thinking about this game in like 4 days.

[Micc]

or I guess if anyone thinks they have a guilty we start there instead of mass claim. any 1v1 is better if the rest of the players are unclaimed as opposed to claimed imo.

[davesaz]

I'd like to see some reads developed and stated before massclaim. With such a broad range of roles to choose from, almost any claim could be fake. It's too easy to let scum get by with a believable claim. And too easy to WIFOM a trueclaimed role away. In fact while writing this I'm starting to lean toward massclaim being a bad idea, because it only adds noise and gives scum targets given the situation.

Just a FYI on activity, I'm facilitating a 2-day workshop starting tomorrow. Not that this game has a lot of activity to begin with...

[KittenLicks]

I was planning to claim today anyway, if only because I am absolutely

filled

with salt.

I'm a Town FBI Agent, and I checked Gamma, with the logic that getting a result of "Serial Killer" confirms Gamma as not an Alien, Werewolf or Mafia, which is way more useful than just knowing someone isn't an SK. I was feeling ever so clever with myself, until some

jerk

went and killed him, ruining everything.

I'd give you reads, but every single person I had anything close to a solid read on went and died. So, taking a deep breath and starting again: Hi people, which of you are scum?

[Simeon]

fruit vendor here. I gave davesaz a fruit

[Micc]

I'd like to see some reads developed and stated before massclaim. With such a broad range of roles to choose from, almost any claim could be fake. It's too easy to let scum get by with a believable claim. And too easy to WIFOM a trueclaimed role away. In fact while writing this I'm starting to lean toward massclaim being a bad idea, because it only adds noise and gives scum targets given the situation.

yeah this is fair. I was thinking the discussion of who popcorns first was a good way to accomplish this while leading into the mass claim...and then a third of the playerlist claimed unprompted so idk where to head from here.

I'm a Town FBI Agent, and I checked Gamma, with the logic that getting a result of "Serial Killer" confirms Gamma as not an Alien, Werewolf or Mafia, which is way more useful than just knowing someone isn't an SK. I was feeling ever so clever with myself, until some jerk went and killed him, ruining everything.

This is actually a pretty neat interaction. town points for you.

[Micc]

I'd like Maruchan to respond to my post 178. seems like as good of a place to start as any.

[Maruchan]

I don't have much more to say than what I said in post 94

[Micc]

Then what's up with post 148? You seemed pretty eager to have this discussion then, or were you just throwing shade at me?

[Maruchan]

i expected you to have something more to say than "I don't have much more to say". without any response from you i don't have much to interact with you on.

[davesaz]

im surprised there havent been more responses from some of you (cough MICC) to my post.

It's almost as though a number of you skimmed/didn't read it

I don't have much more to say than what I said in 125. I'm sorry you think my page 1 RVS vote was opportunistic or that my comment was any more serious then general ribbing about the unfortunate circumstances of potentially having multiple negative utility roles. I'm sorry that you didn't like the shitty case I pushed to help move the game out of RSV. I'm sorry that I got confused as fuck the discussion of day vigs because I was posting at work while barely reading the predits. I'm sorry that you decided to go to bed before reading my explanation or chose to ignore it. I'm sorry that you think my name being green makes me any different than anyone else.

Giving the post numbers and not linking or quoting them isn't helping.
Not sure what more Maruchan wants after this.

[davesaz]

Confirm I received a fruit.

[davesaz]

Changed my mind about how to handle this, because it doesn't look like anyone will ask.

fruit vendor here. I gave davesaz a fruit

Please describe your approach to choosing a target.

[davesaz]

I'm leaning toward KittenLicks reaction to the lynch being a possible partner.
I have to get up early in the morning and can't do much except run the workshop all day, so hoping to see some discussion on this by the time I'm back.

[Micc]

Giving the post numbers and not linking or quoting them isn't helping.
Not sure what more Maruchan wants after this.

Yeah that’s a bad habit of mine. Sorry.

I don’t know what he wants either. He was proud enough of his case to throw shade at me for ignoring it, but in my mind the case was so obviously contrived from nothing that a response from me wasn’t really warranted - hence the passive aggressive answers when I finally did respond. I guess I could reword my post to be less dickish, but my answers aren’t going to change. But if this line of conversation is his one contribution to the game so far and he doesn’t even want to continue it, I can’t help wonder how he thinks he’s going to find scum.

[Micc]

I'm leaning toward KittenLicks reaction to the lynch being a possible partner.
I have to get up early in the morning and can't do much except run the workshop all day, so hoping to see some discussion on this by the time I'm back.

I had this thought briefly but KittenLicks being unsure of supersaint mechanics lead me away from it. If your partner is a supersaint you probably look that up before he’s claiming in the game thread and it would be an impressively wierd thing to fake. Similarly investigating the universal Miller is not an interaction that I think a scum player thinks of. I’m leaning pretty strongly towards town on KittenLicks right now.

[KittenLicks]

I'm leaning toward KittenLicks reaction to the lynch being a possible partner.
I have to get up early in the morning and can't do much except run the workshop all day, so hoping to see some discussion on this by the time I'm back.

If you're referring to my reaction to Tazaro being taken to L-1 the first time, then yeah, that looks pretty bad, now that we know Taz was a werewolf. Especially given how the other FBI agent card is a werewolf, I'd probably be suspecting myself in your position.

I feel really directionless regarding reads right now, if I'm honest. It's really hard to think "what would scum be trying to do here" without any idea of how many scum there, or if Taz even HAD a partner.

Some facts, regarding interactions:
Simeon cannot be a Werewolf or Alien, due to the only other card being a Mafia Fruit vendor. So Taz/Simeon interactions aren't worth looking into.
Davesaz is extremely unlikely to be Taz's partner, given Taz forgot Dave's predecessor existed.

[Micc]

The combination of no guarantee of balance along with so many factions does make speculating on scum(teams) difficult. I’m of the opinion that any case based primarily on those types of interactions is a bad case in this setup.

You should try looking at Maruchan’s ISO for some direction. He’s my pick for scum at this point mostly by POE, but there really isn’t anything there that gives me Town vibes.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Changed my mind about how to handle this, because it doesn't look like anyone will ask.

fruit vendor here. I gave davesaz a fruit

Please describe your approach to choosing a target.

Additionally, can you describe the approach you would have taken as a Mafia fruit vendor?

[Simeon]

Changed my mind about how to handle this, because it doesn't look like anyone will ask.

fruit vendor here. I gave davesaz a fruit

Please describe your approach to choosing a target.

Additionally, can you describe the approach you would have taken as a Mafia fruit vendor?

Easy. I look at my townreads and dump fruit on one of them. Same goes if I'm a mafia fruit vendor.

[davesaz]

Perfect segue into what are your reads?

[Bicephalous Bob]

I'd rather have a full massclaim than what we have now. Kitten, you can appoint the next person to claim.

[KittenLicks]

I'd rather have a full massclaim than what we have now. Kitten, you can appoint the next person to claim.

It seems more people than I thought want the massclaim to actually happen, so sure, then I choose Micc.

Speaking of which, we haven't discussed this (possibly because people are taking strategy as something everyone knows) but

should

we actually lynch today? If we knew we were at 2 scum vs 4 townies it'd be obvious not to lynch, right? Or are we scared of the possibility of two kills?