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[shortaru]

First and foremost, scum theater is an association between two unflipped players. You dont push that as scum without flips. That's mafia 101.

So, why shade an interaction as scum theater if you don't push it as scum without a flip?

[shortaru]

Seph is probably town, and if they do end up flipping town, it's guaranteed scum were crawling over that wagon.

This does not make sense to be saying about someone you accused of participating in scum theater.

[Flubbernugget]

First and foremost, scum theater is an association between two unflipped players. You dont push that as scum without flips. That's mafia 101.

So, why shade an interaction as scum theater if you don't push it as scum without a flip?

Because its early into the game and being transparent about your thoughts is a good way to towntell and it makes the interactions harder to forget in the case one of them flips scum

Pedit: one of the scum theater and the sketch wagon were not alignment indicative then. I don't know what the big deal about being wrong early game is over.

[shortaru]

Ofrhz what do you think about Garmr and Creature?

Both leaning town - I think Garmr was omgus'ing a little bit in pushing the Creature wagon, and I'm not seeing the push as scummy even though I disagree with it.

@ofrhz - yeah I might be guessing at why you made that town read, but it seemed like you would spot the reason I’m thinking based on that game we just finished

I'll be honest, whatever reasoning you're trying to extract out of me here is completely going over my head

AP town, xx probably town as well

VOTE: flubbernugget

Fancy way to post a naked vote, talking about others before putting a vote down for someone that isn't being discussed in the post.

[shortaru]

Did I case flubbz? That doesn't really sound like me tbh

Oh, you're one of

those

.

[shortaru]

I also wanted to understand why you kinda felt resistance to Sephiroth when I was starting the PoE. I wasn't sure if there was a gut townread there or whether I was just throwing you off by trying a new approach. While I partly gut townread you based on RVS this is lurky even for town you. But I think if you start playing more, and you are town, your reads can be good, so.

I doubt you and ofhrz are S/S.

I'll be interested in checking out your read on him.

[Carcalilly]

119- Relatively hollow and untrue remark

140- Fencey

141- Callback; which I often see as nerve-caused

167- More mellow than I'd expect.

521- A decent amount of painting and a handful of sideremarks(seemly very careful to avoid wrongness or contradiction)

545- Repetition

1151- "SWNST"


Also, are your joke posts and serious posts always so contrastic?

[xx2008]

With Gamma emerald going page-by-page and reading every post, I have a good solid townread on him. Replacing into a game, what I would expect scum to do is to simply play along without analyzing the previous posts.
Now, I'm starting to get a very slight townlean on flubber. Something just tells me very slightly his posts are town. Possibly because of his tone.
What is a scum theater, by the way?

[xx2008]

By the way, @gamma emerald, how long do you think it will be before you catch up completely?

[xx2008]

There are a lot of posts in this game, and it is getting more posts every day.

[shortaru]

I'm just being swarmed with scum feelz.

I think there is likely one scum between Maxous & ofhrz

[xx2008]

My scumreads are currently dva and ofhrz.

[DVa]

What is a scum theater, by the way?

Metagame explanation why scum would choose to put on a theater:

Spoiler:

Subject: Open 737: Stack the Deck (Mafia PT)

I've noticed a lot of the time that in mafia when 2 people have a pretty big 1v1 they rarely rarely rarely end up being both scum. Other people also rarely read then as both scum.

So I wanted to try it for this game.

Example from game thread of that theater:

Spoiler:

Wrt enigma I feel like I've explained this. Maybe it will help if you read the first 5 pages. Like the pagetop thing is very noticable in his ISO. It isn't something he does on a whim or like when the opportunity presents itself. He has and is inflating his post count with just pagetops. Now the issue is that just taking pagetops is in itself anti-town because it does nothing helpful for the game. That's where the policy lynch comes in. However since people of both alignments do it site meta forces us not to lynch anyone who does it or we'll have a lot of dead townies (though in all honesty if we all did it for like 2 weeks everyone would stop). So if both scum and town do it you have to evaluate their posts as a whole and see if it is more likely coming from scum pov or town pov. He wasn't just taking pagetops he dedicated a few posts just talking about him going for pagetops. He also in those pages didn't give any opinions on any people. When he wasn't talking about pagetops he just gave a few comments on the setup spec - an easy way to look like he's part of the conversation without actually progressing the game. He also voted for vex? What makes him so special he needs 2 RVS votes instead of just 1 like everyone else? Everyone easily shrugged it off because he said he would do it but why the vote in the first place? He wasn't tring vex. Actually more accurately he hadn't claimed any opinion on vex at that point.

tl;dr: 2 scum go at it for distancing in the early game because they think townies will not scumread two people getting into a 1v1 on d1 as s+s, often for kinda shaky reasons

it's not limited to d1 but usually theater has a strategic use given the timing it is performed

[shortaru]

My scumreads are currently dva and ofhrz.

I'd be relatively surprised.

Care to explain why?

[shortaru]

I skimmed through the posts I missed, and I kind of feel like dva is somewhat scummy in terms of wagons, but I can also see some genuine scum hunting.

Meh. D1 isn't the time for wagon analysis.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m just pissed Alchemist got Lynched despite having a free ticket out imo

I think Dolphins ruined my willingness to take pre-game replacements for a while

I mean I didn’t vote you for that, and my reason was actually quite solid given what transpired overall

[DVa]

With Gamma emerald going page-by-page and reading every post, I have a good solid townread on him. Replacing into a game, what I would expect scum to do is to simply play along without analyzing the previous posts.

By the way, @gamma emerald, how long do you think it will be before you catch up completely?

There are a lot of posts in this game, and it is getting more posts every day.

this progression is really weird tonally, and 1232 is pretty surface-level and a bit slimy

[Gamma Emerald]

The thing that happened in Dolphins was everyone towncleared EzekelRAGE/Creature for a while because of mod interference that implied the slot was Town (along with doughboy). Since Creature was IN the slot that was cleared I would have expected him to recognize what was going on and make some kind of reference (maybe not the second part)

Okay, I think I know what you mean now. But wasn't that about talking about an ongoing game? Saying "don't type the votes incoherently" seems like way more NAI as far as mod step-ins go. You might be right that Creature not getting the joke suggests he wasn't really thinking along those lines, but I feel like the analogy is different enough I wouldn't assume he'd get it tbh

The setup is different yes (mod interfering with player interactions in a way that implies Town vs mod making a minor word choice error) but the concept of modspewed alignment is the same.

[Carcalilly]

Dolphins?!

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah... I'm just going to assume the first 40 pages or so are early game crap posting and focus on current events with ISOing as needed for background.

Cool? Cool.

So, who wants to dance?

You should probably just read my ISO cod I’m going to go through everything

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh, I would want Performer to dance with Shortaru

I think that dance should be my side objective

DVa, would you care to dance?

[Carcalilly]

*weird fan squeak*

[DVa]

Dolphins?!

That was the flavor name of Mini Normal 2033.

[Gamma Emerald]

By the way, @gamma emerald, how long do you think it will be before you catch up completely?

Depends on my motivation, I hope I can be caught up before Day 1 ends, but I’m voting before being caught up in case that fails.

[DVa]

DVa, would you care to dance?

I'm damn tempted, but I'm still working through your thought process irt Flubber, Carca, and Creature/Short slot

Hoping I can accept before the end of this dayphase tho