Limbo l Victory!

[Ruby Red]

ok honestly what the hell

i was entirely convinced i was replacing into a scumslot but now like... i have to put effort into this game

[Ruby Red]

man

[Ruby Red]

carca is locktown

[Ruby Red]

dunn probwolf

[Ruby Red]

Considering how me and Lady are the ones under pressure ATM, would you like to give your opinions on us?

i think you're both lovely people

that's my opinion of you

Hello ruby i remember when u pocketed and murdered me in jjh's game

sorry to finesse you like that but it had to be done

i honest to god was not prepared to be town in this game so you're gonna have to give me a moment to actually tryhard

so purr who is scum and why is it dunnstral and why aren't you voting him

[Ruby Red]

speaking of

VOTE: dunn

[Ruby Red]

i've read you right numerous times on recent occasions on various other accounts and to my memory have only read you wrong that one mini normal game before you claimed

[Ruby Red]

like i can think of literally one instance of me misreading you as compared to multiple instances of me reading you correctly (as both town and scum) so don't come at me with this "oh you always vote me"

[Ruby Red]

Personally unless ruby can prove they've "read you right numerous times on recent occasions on various other accounts and to my memory have only read you wrong that one mini normal game before you claimed" I'm going to call it out as a blatant lie hiding behind an alt account

rofl what

i have literally one instance of reading you wrong (before you claimed) as compared with multiple games

burden of proof is on you there chief

[Ruby Red]

dunn's play this game doesnt look like his town meta, but the below is just....ruby , STOP

i've read you right numerous times on recent occasions on various other accounts and to my memory have only read you wrong that one mini normal game before you claimed

like i can think of literally one instance of me misreading you as compared to multiple instances of me reading you correctly (as both town and scum) so don't come at me with this "oh you always vote me"

what exactly is your issue with what those

[Ruby Red]

i mean i'm gonna be honest i wasn't really dead set on dunn being scum before now

like it wasn't a lock

but i have literally never before seen "scumclaim" so purely condensed into just two posts:

Hey wasn't Creatures meta that he's always scum when he low posts, and always town when he posts a lot? Like, he's super easy to read, right?
And didn't Creature just get replaced for being prodded 3 times? I always feel vad for lynching off Creature meta, it kind of feels like he's cheating, but I also don't want to be willfully ignorant - we should lynch the Creature slot

Creature has not posted within 2 days and has reached his two prod limit.

Searching for a replacement. Please standby.

Replacement found!

Please welcome Ruby Red!

Adding 24 hours to the deadline.

VOTE: Ruby Red

like lmfao, as if nobody would notice that you literally only bring that up after i call you out and vote you. super sneaky

[Ruby Red]

burden of proof is on you there chief

You're hiding behind an alt and claiming you've read me correct on other unnamed accounts, I don't know how the burden of proof can be on me when you're making baseless claims that nobody here (except for you) can verify/double check

Are you disputing the factual truth of what i'm saying or are you just saying that it's not verifiable? This is actually important here because you've already indicated that you know who i am so you're straight up lying if you're trying to argue that i haven't correctly scumread you recently

[Ruby Red]

It's performer + Ruby I can gaurantee that, Maria is probably scum too but less sure, they've all shown their true colors

even further on the "dunnstral scumclaiming" rollercoaster is him saying that me and performer are his top scumreads and maria is "probably" scum directly after saying this:

Oh and MariaR is scum, like I said, Like she's ACTUALLY SCUM and you guys are going to let her get away

plus like if you're really at me and performer being a scumteam after whatever weaksauce associative shit you're pointing at then you deserve to get lynched even if town (you're not)

[Ruby Red]

listen - straight up i replaced into this game expecting to be scum. i thought creats replacing out was a sure fucking thing. imagine my surprise to see a green role pm

i was really only looking to just make shit up and lolpush people as scum so it caught me off guard. thankfully you were kind enough to scumclaim for me and make things easy

[Ruby Red]

VOTE: Dunnstral

dunn's play this game doesnt look like his town meta, but the below is just....ruby , STOP

i've read you right numerous times on recent occasions on various other accounts and to my memory have only read you wrong that one mini normal game before you claimed

like i can think of literally one instance of me misreading you as compared to multiple instances of me reading you correctly (as both town and scum) so don't come at me with this "oh you always vote me"

Notice how this only comes after I vote ruby

By the way, not even defending performer here, just pointing out Dunn's bullshit

"notice how this only comes after i vote ruby" yeah, because performer's

literal only posts

except for "sup" came after you vote me, check his iso

real fucking exposé there sherlock

[Ruby Red]

listen - straight up i replaced into this game expecting to be scum. i thought creats replacing out was a sure fucking thing. imagine my surprise to see a green role pm

i was really only looking to just make shit up and lolpush people as scum so it caught me off guard. thankfully you were kind enough to scumclaim for me and make things easy

How do you feel about Performer's reaction to my posting, then? On the last few pages, and also what I pointed out

what you pointed out about the association is bullshit

no real opinion about him other than that

[Ruby Red]

But if I knew? Then yeah I'd be going through your past games and picking out the quotes that I know would disprove this, there isn't this mystery person who's good at reading me, I know you're not Giga who by all means could make that claim, and Maria is in this game, and that's about it

let's go back to how this conversation started. i say you're wolfy and vote you, you say "Oh it's you the person who

always

votes me", i say "lol that's BS i've read you correctly every game we've played except one"

nothing about my wolfread on you is coming from "hey everyone i can read this person and he's scum". i don't need that kind of credit to say that you're wolfy. what i

am

saying is that you can't discredit my read on you by saying "she always wolfreads me, ignore her"

[Ruby Red]

btw kokichi is probs town for how much of a mindmeld this post is:

This is going by slowly but Kokichi, what are you going to say if Dunn flips town?

I'll ask him why he was scumclaiming as town

[Ruby Red]

also hot take elsa jay is town but like i wouldn't put money on it

i don't think the low activity not doing much thing is how he would play it as wolf. could be wrong but that's the feeling i get

[Ruby Red]

"Oh it's you the person who

always

votes me", i say "lol that's BS i've read you correctly every game we've played except one"

WE'VE PLAYED 2 GAMES TOGETHER

Get out of here with that

Well then I guess you saying this must be fucking false then:

Forgot who you were for a second, my memory is still shaky but this brought me back, ah yes you always did like voting me all the time

So that's that, conversation over, you can't discredit me by saying that I always vote you all the time.

[Ruby Red]

chara's iso kinda wolfy but that's just a skim

[Ruby Red]

i'm not continuing this conversation. dig your own grave.

[Ruby Red]

@anyone other than dunn let me know when you're online

[Ruby Red]

k

[Ruby Red]

carca he's almost certainly scum and his only option at this point is to try to get me lynched, creature replacing out makes it an incredibly easy target

there's no way he could deflect at this point

imo he's strongly likely to be wolf, i think you should vote him

[Ruby Red]

btw hey look it's creature having a replacement posted in the thread

he came back in that game (and was town)
and i replaced creature like 10 fucking minutes after AG posted in the replacement thread

there's really not a lot of difference between these situations.

July 7 -

New York 213: A Really Large Normal Game

Moderator:

Ircher

Status:

Day 2, 97 pages

Replacing:

[]ArcAngel9[/]

Also need a replacement for Creature.

[Ruby Red]

uh it says game over in the title so i don't think so

[Ruby Red]

Skimming and i think dun is town

why

[Ruby Red]

[Ruby Red]

Ruby, if you can make your case against Dunn in 3 images or less, you'll get my vote.

[Ruby Red]

: hm dunn is kinda wolfy

Vote: Dunn

: oh wow look it's that person who

always

votes me

: that's not true

: wow suddenly i realize that creature must be scum due to his lurking (this had

totally

not occurred to me before ruby voted me, please don't notice this)

Stage directions: Performer votes Dunnstral.

: Maria is ACTUALLY SCUM and you guys are going to let her get away

*a few posts later*

: Performer and Ruby are definitely both scum, Maria is probably scum but I'm less sure

[Ruby Red]

i start to get pangs of guilt or worry that i'm wrong on dunn and i'll look foolish and have hard pushed town if he flips town

and then i look back at 548 and realize that there is no fucking way i can believe that that comes from town

[Ruby Red]

maria stay on dunn, this is a guaranteed scum flip day one

[Ruby Red]

For real though, Performer has serious chances of being scum, near confirmed fo rme, Ruby I'm worried I'm wrong about but I still believe he has to die at some point this game just due to creature meta - which people are pretending like doesn't exist this game for some reason, no it's VERY real

"my deflection onto ruby red isn't working, need to try an easier target"

[Ruby Red]

i'm sorry. that one was pretty bad.

i just think it's legitimately the truth.

[Ruby Red]

i'm just trying to play to my wincon.

[Ruby Red]

i'm sorry. that one was pretty bad.

i just think it's legitimately the truth.

Why do you fos dun?

i think 548 never ever comes from town just as a post. even more though the timing of it seems incredibly agenda-oriented rather than a real thought. creature lurking isn't just something that suddenly happens after i replace in and vote him, it's only something that he brings up after i vote him

i don't think his me/performer associative scumread is actually real or warranted given anything posted in thread

i think he's changed the strength of his maria scumread as is useful to him (i.e. 660 being a good example, maria stops voting him and he asks if she wants to tryhard with him despite scumreading her)

i think he's switched from me being scum to performer being scum because it's an easier deflection to get people who were or might be voting him to vote performer (see carca's unvote as a good example)

[Ruby Red]

i need four brave heroes to stand up against tyranny and say it with me, say it with pride:

"

Vote: Dunnstral

"

[Ruby Red]

i'm just trying to play to my wincon.

Would now be a good time to do Multiball speculation or did the mod confirm this was single? Because phrases like this key me off.

please don't insult my intelligence. i'm not a fucking idiot and if i were a third party or part of some kind of weird scumteam i certainly would not show it through a phrase like that

also, this is an open seutp.

also, i made you a very lovely picture explaining why dunn was scum, with a heart for a dot in the "i" and everything

[Ruby Red]

Carca I'm doing a different playstyle. Tired of playing basically the same for so long. You always seem nervous of me regardless of what happens

And fwiw , you're town

wolfy

[Ruby Red]

jesus fucking christ

[Ruby Red]

Mariar making irrelevant preflips

This whole post is irrelevant ironically. Also I don't think it's irrelevant given dun is getting lynched

passive voice is poor form, minus 5 points

mind voting dunn to help test your theory?

[Ruby Red]

so are you still going off of the "town by sheer stats" argument or what

god

[Ruby Red]

elsa please don't get distracted by people saying ridiculous things

dunnstral is still scum

[Ruby Red]

i'd add kokichi to that list imo

[Ruby Red]

nah that's a good townread keep it

[Ruby Red]

Hes town

why

[Ruby Red]

that's great

[Ruby Red]

performer if you're town can you stop trying your absolute hardest to derail dunnstral's wagon

[Ruby Red]

Hes town

why

Cuz i say so!!?? And why not

1) if you have a real reason to townread dunnstral than why don't you just say it
2) if you have a real reason to townread dunnstral than what makes you think it's better than or more reliably town-indicative than everything i've pointed out (highly fucking scum-indicative)

like haha yeah it's funny to just pick random reads for no reason but i'm actually trying to play the game and lynch scum here. you don't have to follow me if you want to just mess around and have fun but you also don't have to literally obstruct me.

[Ruby Red]

elsa, please. you are making the literal cardinal mistake of towns which is lynching the people who say outrageous shit over the silently scummy people.

yeah, his voting you for the multiball comment is fucking idiotic. the thing is, i can see it as

plausible

that it comes from him as town. people get lynched all the time for similar shit. it's why some people are just lynchbait-y.

IN CONTRAST, I cannot

ever

see 548 coming from town. that's what separates these two things for me. performer and dunn are both wolfy, but performer is wolfy in a way that i could see coming from just town who's normally wolfy whereas dunnstral is just scum.

[Ruby Red]

if dunnstral flips town then i'll be the fucking first one on performer's wagon (hell, even if dunn flips scum it's a possibility)

dunn should still go first

[Ruby Red]

if dunnstral flips town then i'll be the fucking first one on performer's wagon (hell, even if dunn flips scum it's a possibility)

dunn should still go first

VOTE: dunnstral
Town

LEGENDARY

[Ruby Red]

THREE MORE BRAVE SOULS

[Ruby Red]

WHO WILL JOIN US AND RECEIVE THE GLORY OF BEING A PART OF THE D1 SCUMWAGON

[Ruby Red]

believe me i understand the desire to lynch him out of existence

but i care more about winning

[Ruby Red]

i mean yeah

you made roughly ~20 posts in this game before i entered and voted you

you're now at 80

you definitely fucking qualified for "silently scummy". your defense of yourself / redirection to other people doesn't change that.

[Ruby Red]

this game isn't limbo, it's hell

performer you deserve to get lynched for being so fucking scummy as to derail dunn's wagon

[Ruby Red]

sick scum counterwagon btw

[Ruby Red]

performer is the shiny keys that scum are dangling in front of everyone's face to distract them.

consider that if performer were scum and dunnstral were town, performer would ALWAYS be fucking voting dunnstral right now rather than locktowning him.

"what if they're both scum", i hear you say. dunnstral is still scum in that scenario, and then we lynch performer tomorrow just for the lulz

[Ruby Red]

And THIS was one of the main people supporting the Dunn lynch, but Performer literally decides to shoot himself in the foot to the point where he HAS to go now.

hmm, yeah, doesn't that not seem to make a lot of sense for scum to do

i wonder... what that could mean....

:THINKING:

[Ruby Red]

I want performer, but apparently a lot of town wants Dunn. I want him around more for the fact he's giving more tells on possible allies while Performer is just digging a hole for himself.

Dunn can atleast show us other scum if we don't hang him d1. Performer just seems awkward.

STOP FUCKING RECOGNIZING REASONS THAT HES SCUM AND THEN SAYING THAT WE SHOULD JUST DO SOMETHING ELSE ANYWAYS BECAUSE LOL WHY NOT

[Ruby Red]

elsa, please.

i am

begging

you.

performer is lynchbait. yes, him voting you for the multiball thing is fucking idiotic. yes, i agree that the strength of his reasoning would be a liability given time. what i can tell you is that that won't be a problem if we just fucking lynch scum RIGHT NOW.

[Ruby Red]

Dunn, even if he's a scum, will leave more clues to his partners alive then dead. Performer will hurt the town anyway.

what if dunn is some kind of scum power role

doesn't make sense to leave him alive

[Ruby Red]

like i bet i could go through literally every single completed game on this site in the past three months and in EVERY SINGLE GAME find an example of a townie who said some stupid ass shit and got lynched for it over scum.

do you really want to just do the exact same thing that happens every single game? to keep lynching the exact same lynchbait who gets lynched every single game?

[Ruby Red]

i said this before but i'll say it again - i will be the first fucking person on performer's wagon tomorrow regardless of what dunnstral flips (it'll be scum though)

just give me this

[Ruby Red]

whatever, maybe i was wrong and you're actually scum. i see no reason for you to seemingly recognize that performer is a "liability" and basically lynchbait and still want to vote him over dunn

[Ruby Red]

like yeah you can joke about it all you want but it feels like you're just using that as an excuse to not actually have reasons

[Ruby Red]

yeah, real fucking funny.

[Ruby Red]

carcalilly you have the power to change the future

[Ruby Red]

don't do it carc don't submit to (other people's) peer pressure

[Ruby Red]

dunn you deserve to die for 548 regardless of your alignment. i am completely justified in this

[Ruby Red]

i think 548 never ever comes from town just as a post. even more though the timing of it seems incredibly agenda-oriented rather than a real thought. creature lurking isn't just something that suddenly happens after i replace in and vote him, it's only something that he brings up after i vote him

i don't think his me/performer associative scumread is actually real or warranted given anything posted in thread

i think he's changed the strength of his maria scumread as is useful to him (i.e. 660 being a good example, maria stops voting him and he asks if she wants to tryhard with him despite scumreading her)

i think he's switched from me being scum to performer being scum because it's an easier deflection to get people who were or might be voting him to vote performer (see carca's unvote as a good example)

consider that if performer were scum and dunnstral were town, performer would ALWAYS be fucking voting dunnstral right now rather than locktowning him.

"what if they're both scum", i hear you say. dunnstral is still scum in that scenario, and then we lynch performer tomorrow just for the lulz

[Ruby Red]

preach purr

[Ruby Red]

notice how pure the dunn wagon is

[Ruby Red]

what, you townread dunn?

[Ruby Red]

dunn today and we can lynch performer to our heart's content tomorrow

[Ruby Red]

because dunnstral is actually scum and i don't trust that he gets lynched if i were to die.

[Ruby Red]

i'm going to bed and haven't read half of these new pages,

but

i just wanted to say how lovely it is to see two wagons that are actually competing on what seems to be even ground. i feel like i don't see that enough.

what do you think about the alignment of those two players as it relates to the existence of those wagons

because imo there are obvious conclusions to take away that i've already pointed out

[Ruby Red]

meh, i guess i could agree with you there.

thoughts on performer not voting his counterwagon as it relates to his alignment?

[Ruby Red]

meh, i guess i could agree with you there.

well, to clarify here - i don't think performer is scum and ergo i don't think they're both scum, but i think just the fact that they're two competing wagons doesn't mean that they're not both scum.

[Ruby Red]

does literally anyone buy the argument of "if we let scum live then they'll show us their partners"

[Ruby Red]

catching scum and letting them live day one because d1 scum lynches are anti-town :THONKING:

[Ruby Red]

huge brain energy

[Ruby Red]

chara have you looked at the wagons and stopped scumreading performer yet

[Ruby Red]

because from your previous stated positions i feel like you should not be alright with the status quo right now and cracking jokes but if your mind has changed then you haven't said so

[Ruby Red]

does literally anyone buy the argument of "if we let scum live then they'll show us their partners"

The sequel "Let's not lynch scum in favor of spewed town" happens often in games I play

tbh i'm so tired of watching reruns of "lynch the same lynchbait who says dumb stuff over actual scum"

[Ruby Red]

Purely horrible.

So does this mean

Dunns town or the wagon on him isnt


Bc Im really interested in which of these 2 bad answers u give

yeah like literally

i'm really glad you'll be around to say this shit even if i die n1

[Ruby Red]

Lmao ok i like the fact that elsa doesnt even really tr dunn he just wont lynch him LMFAO

[Ruby Red]

well luckily for you the main associative scumread with elsa is dunnstral right now

so there's a nice spot on the dunn wagon waiting for you

[Ruby Red]

i'm really glad you'll be around to say this shit even if i die n1

no people don't listen to me because i am a bad cat

and people don't listen to u because of that DUMB avi


ok sorry im grumpy uwu

wtf my avi rocks

[Ruby Red]

i dont like your avi either

yeah because yours is great, right

[Ruby Red]

sometimes you need cuddly to get people to vote with you and sometimes you need your shift button

maybe i will pull out a cat avi or something the next time people are ignoring scum

[Ruby Red]

i did also have the problem of Ruby saying "it's fine let's lynch Performer later" while townreading them, but i've seen town throw out phrases like that when they're just really concerned with getting their scum lynched.

yeah it was straight up a lie to get people to vote with me

[Ruby Red]

imo kokichi is pretty obvs not wolf

and that's just on his play alone and not who he's voting or anything

[Ruby Red]

can't wait to lose this game so i can see all the reads i got right on "unreadable players" that everyone else was wrong on

[Ruby Red]

Ruby I dont want to out you, but have I played with you before under another alias?

maybe? don't really remember so probs not

[Ruby Red]

dunnstral is getting lynched today. this isn't in question.

[Ruby Red]

meh actually i could vote alonzo but it wouldn't be the scumflip that i want

[Ruby Red]

why'd you have to make 1313? it's pinging me.
i'll note that but still going to go with Purr's townread on you.

because i legit think that manatee scum meta is true (despite the irony)

although it does go against my personal policy of screaming death tunnelling one singular scum, so i guess i kinda betrayed my own principles, huh

[Ruby Red]

what the hell, i'm the top wagon?

[Ruby Red]

man you really all just let dunnstral sell you a bridge on some fucking idiotic math shit, huh

[Ruby Red]

if you care about winning the game it does

[Ruby Red]

man it's fucking tiring dealing with this shit. me and purr can only yell at people so fucking much.

[Ruby Red]

VOTE: DUNNSTRAL

[Ruby Red]

VOTE: DUNNSTRAL

We get it, you don't want Dunn alive... But really. This is what you do?

is there a problem

[Ruby Red]

it seems people believe even ridiculous things when you use colored text so perhaps large text has the same effect

[Ruby Red]

btw kokichi voting me is actually straight up an anime betrayal

[Ruby Red]

DUNNSTRAL"S ENTIRE """CASE""" IS LITERALLY THE EASIEST POSSIBLE PUSH IN THE GAME OF MAFIA AND YOU SHOULD NOT BE TOWNREADING HIM FOR IT

"NEVER SEEN SCUM DUNN PUT SO MUCH EFFORT IN" OR WHATEVER IS NOT A REAL ARGUMENT TO MAKE BECAUSE POINTING OUT CREATURE"S META DOESN"T TAKE "EFFORT"

YOU SHOULD ALSO NOT BELIEVE IT BUT THAT"S NOT REALLY MY MAIN POINT HERE

THE CASE ON DUNNSTRAL POINTS OUT ___ACTUAL FUCKING SCUM INDICATIVE THINGS___

[Ruby Red]

i think 548 never ever comes from town just as a post. even more though the timing of it seems incredibly agenda-oriented rather than a real thought. creature lurking isn't just something that suddenly happens after i replace in and vote him, it's only something that he brings up after i vote him

i don't think his me/performer associative scumread is actually real or warranted given anything posted in thread

i think he's changed the strength of his maria scumread as is useful to him (i.e. 660 being a good example, maria stops voting him and he asks if she wants to tryhard with him despite scumreading her)

i think he's switched from me being scum to performer being scum because it's an easier deflection to get people who were or might be voting him to vote performer (see carca's unvote as a good example)

consider that if performer were scum and dunnstral were town, performer would ALWAYS be fucking voting dunnstral right now rather than locktowning him.

"what if they're both scum", i hear you say. dunnstral is still scum in that scenario, and then we lynch performer tomorrow just for the lulz

[Ruby Red]

548 IS A SCUMCLAIM THE LIKES OF WHICH I WOULD MAINTAIN DUNN DESERVED TO DIE FOR EVEN IF HE WERE TO GET LYNCHED AND FLIP TOWN

[Ruby Red]

LIKE DUNN IF YOU"RE TOWN THEN SORRY DUDE BUT I THINK I"M PRETTY JUSTIFIED IN EVERYTHING I"VE BEEN SAYING LUCKILY I DON"T THINK YOU"RE TOWN

[Ruby Red]

548 is just dumb, but its exactly the same kinda shit you just said with reguards to my slot isn't it?

i pointed out the irony and there's a reason i'm not voting you rn

if you're town then be town (like i have )

why'd you have to make 1313? it's pinging me.
i'll note that but still going to go with Purr's townread on you.

because i legit think that manatee scum meta is true (despite the irony)

[Ruby Red]

548 is just dumb, but its exactly the same kinda shit you just said with reguards to my slot isn't it?

and beyond that it's not just the literal content of the post. it's the entire surrounding context too. creature doesn't just suddenly go from "not lurking" to "lurking". the fact that dunnstral only points it out like literally right after i start pushing him PLUS the like faux-sly way he went about it is highly fucking wolf indicative

[Ruby Red]

like i sincerely doubt that it was meant to be a joke and so really the only conclusion that we can come to is that he was trying to pretend like he didn't know that the creature slot was the exact same person who had just called him out for being scum

[Ruby Red]

and just like

lol @ that

[Ruby Red]

Hey wasn't Creatures meta that he's always scum when he low posts, and always town when he posts a lot? Like, he's super easy to read, right?
And didn't Creature just get replaced for being prodded 3 times? I always feel vad for lynching off Creature meta, it kind of feels like he's cheating, but I also don't want to be willfully ignorant - we should lynch the Creature slot

nobody who is town ever ever actually talks like this

if you genuinely believe that creature lurking makes him scum you don't start your post like you're confronting a friend about a drinking problem or something saying "Hey isn't creature's meta to low post? And didn't he low post here?"

you also certainly do not say "we shouldn't be willfully ignorant, we

should

lynch Creature"

you would say "Creature is obvious scum from his lurking meta". like, notice that he says that we

should lynch

me, not that i'm actually scum

[Ruby Red]

like guess what

everyone already realized that that post was a scumclaim

, but we just didn't actually go through with the lynch and got distracted by other shiny things in the meantime

Dunnstral that was a really gross post. :/

And snowman,, there you go. I really don't think it was such an overreaction worthy enough for a speedwagon.

Alright let's just
VOTE: Dunn

VOTE: dunn

Choo choo

I can do that

VOTE: Dunnstral

OOOO MF WEEEE

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Ruby Red]

nobody who believes their argument strongly says "i don't want to be willfully ignorant, we should do this". they would say "creature is scum for lurking".

it isn't hard to argue the numbers here because in most cases they're literally factually correct. arguing shit that's literally factually correct is what scum do all the time to appear like they have genuine convictions in something. that's exactly what dunn is doing with the creature meta shit.

[Ruby Red]

moving chara to town btw for the irl anxious thing, i felt the exact same way this game and even messaged ag to just vent about it

{kokichi, lady angel, RUBYRED, purr, carca, perf, chara}
{maria, joey, snowman, A50}
{elsa, dunn, alonzo}

[Ruby Red]

does anyone disagree with my townreads

[Ruby Red]

I disagree with you, therefore I'm scum. Woohoo.

i never said that?

[Ruby Red]

Hey dunn, is any of your scumread on my slot based on anything that I've actually done this game?

By the way, what do you say to this thing that I pointed out a while ago? You were in this game, by the way.

btw hey look it's creature having a replacement posted in the thread

he came back in that game (and was town)
and i replaced creature like 10 fucking minutes after AG posted in the replacement thread

there's really not a lot of difference between these situations.

July 7 -

New York 213: A Really Large Normal Game

Moderator:

Ircher

Status:

Day 2, 97 pages

Replacing:

[]ArcAngel9[/]

Also need a replacement for Creature.

[Ruby Red]

nobody who believes their argument strongly says "i don't want to be willfully ignorant, we should do this". they would say "creature is scum for lurking".

it isn't hard to argue the numbers here because

in most cases

they're literally factually correct. arguing shit that's literally factually correct is what scum do all the time to appear like they have genuine convictions in something. that's exactly what dunn is doing with the creature meta shit.

If it's factually correct then just die already, or do you think we should trust you in lylo/mylo when you're statistically scum?

The key word there was "in most cases". I've bolded it for you.

Scum will kill me or they'll lose far before lylo.

The difference between our pushes is that you always push me in every game so I can't sort you based on it wheras my push makes sense if we're trying to win the game

Factually incorrect.

[Ruby Red]

722 posts in that game.

yeah, from JUNE to FUCKING SEPTEMBER you disingenuous scumlord.

[Ruby Red]

25.8 posts per day - 722 posts/28 days - NY 213 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76567

He posted 25.8 times per day.

this is a lie too. where the fuck did you get 28 days from? the "elapsed time" is fucking 70 days. it's right there in the activity overview.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76567&activity_overview=1

[Ruby Red]

oh shit wait am i wrong there?

[Ruby Red]

wait i can't do math or read dates. ignore me.

[Ruby Red]

It's implied when you put me next to Dunn and Alonzo, your other scumread on the same line.

no, it really doesn't imply that reasoning. yes, i think you have a decent chance of being scum (moreso than others and really largely based on poe). that doesn't mean that it's just because you don't agree with me on dunnstral.

why am i scummier than dunn??!!

i never said that you were and clearly given that i am not voting you i don't think that is the case. unless you were't talking to me.

[Ruby Red]

so i was wrong about the "70 days" thing being the time between his first and last post, but as it turns out the actual elapsed time was

more

than 70 days. if timeanddate dot com's "days calculator" is to be believed, it's actually 80 days between his first post and his last post. not sure where 28 days came frome

[Ruby Red]

why am I bottom of your list with with dunn and elsa?

because i think everyone above you on the list is more likely to be town individually than you are. obviously. it's literally just an ordered list.

[Ruby Red]

it's just an ordered list. i have reasons for the people on top being town, i have less reasons for the people in the middle being town but still some, i have very few reasons for the people on the bottom being town. it's PoE.

[Ruby Red]

Yeah, but if Dunn is above him, by definition you'd rather hang Alonzo.

he isn't?????

[Ruby Red]

that's not how it works and you KNOW that it isn't

why are you being disingenuous here? i genuinely do not believe that you think it's meant to be read like that.

[Ruby Red]

well i didn't put myself as first in the top tier

so maybe that should've told you something

[Ruby Red]

yeah this entire conversation is a distraction

[Ruby Red]

actually tbh maria should probably just be in the top row

for some reason she does't feel like voting scum!dunn which gave me pause but looking past that she's probtown

[Ruby Red]

you know if any of you have anything to say other than questioning the left to right ordering of my readslist then i would love to talk about it

guess not

[Ruby Red]

because if he were scum he would have been voting dunnstral (i.e. his counterwagon) when he was getting wagoned earlier in the game. that's literally independent of my read on dunnstral. you don't have to think dunn is scum to agree with that.



if you do take scum!dunn into account then he was an obvious scum cw though

[Ruby Red]

MariaR:
Almost50:
Dunnstral: Kokichi Oma, Purrcocet, Ruby Red, ManateeDude [4]
Kokichi Oma:
Elsa Jay: Lady Angel, Carcalilly [2]
Lady Angel:
Joey_:
Ruby Red:

Performer

[1]
Purrcocet:
Carcalilly:
Performer: Dunnstral, MariaR, Snowman, Chara, Almost50, Elsa Jay [6]
Chara:
Snowman:
ManateeDude:

Not Voting: Joey_

[Ruby Red]

i try to avoid pre-flipping like that. you really should probably not be so focused on my read on you dude because i'm not voting you right now.

[Ruby Red]

well. i say "i try to avoid pre-flipping like that". what i really mean is that my read on both of you is completely independent.

[Ruby Red]

you probably just shoulda said 'null' or something =P (even then pretty dumb given what I'v posted here so far)

except it isn't null. i'm not voting you right now but that doesn't mean i don't think you have a non-not-non negative chance of being more likely to be scum.

[Ruby Red]

i think this is a really towny post:

This is going by slowly but Kokichi, what are you going to say if Dunn flips town?

I'll ask him why he was scumclaiming as town

this also seems like a town take:

And if you are town I can really not give a fuck at this point

Lol okay maria is town. Nvm

although he is anime betraying me right now

[Ruby Red]

because if he were scum he would have been voting dunnstral (i.e. his counterwagon) when he was getting wagoned earlier in the game. that's literally independent of my read on dunnstral. you don't have to think dunn is scum to agree with that.



if you do take scum!dunn into account then he was an obvious scum cw though

But this same logic doesn't apply to me, for some reason

Yeah, there is a reason. Because you fucking

were

voting your counterwagon.

[Ruby Red]

I never "voted my counterwagon" - I BUILT wagons on Performer than built a new one on you when I was doubting my read on performer

okay? that doesn't change my reasoning for performer being town.

[Ruby Red]

YES

[Ruby Red]

Firstly gonna go see why my pred is voting the best player on the site

are u trying to pocket me

Spoiler:

because it's working

[Ruby Red]

i don't want to bias you on stuff and am semi-busy rn

would love if someone i thought was town was online now to talk to you

[Ruby Red]

i don't know why i said "someone i thought was town" when in my mind what i was saying was "chara"

[Ruby Red]

I love Chara and want to talk to it soon
Based on reactions to my rep in my brain was like "jfc are there like 30 wolves ITT rn" so I need some townreads

I guess reading rvs is probably prudent for that, lmk if there's particular stuff I should look out for

tbh i might just start at like page 20 or something

whatever works for you

i don't want to bias you on stuff and am semi-busy rn

i.e. you need me to produce more content for my slot or you're confused and genuinely want to my first impression reads?

on just like a personal level i would like it if you came to the same conclusions as me without me leading the witness and also i would prefer that nobody be able to say that i manipulated you or pressured you into doing something

[Ruby Red]

wtf why aren't i locktown for you yet

[Ruby Red]

obviously me not replacing into this game until page 20 is a towntell????

[Ruby Red]

(i was just joking)

[Ruby Red]

spicy takes.

{elsa, dunn, alonzo, snowman, A50} is the game winning wolf poe.

[Ruby Red]

Lady, just vote dunn. It's fine if you don't think you're being useful, I think you're obvtown here.

[Ruby Red]

no no keep catching up before being spoiled by the most recent posts

[Ruby Red]

wrong

[Ruby Red]

i haven't "latched on" to anything. i moved two people up to town from my previous readslist and decided to merge the other two tiers given their small size. i clearly talked about moving maria up to town before and i feel alright about the ducky being town for now

[Ruby Red]

like the progression throughout these three posts is not complicated to follow. if you want to try to paint me as scum at least do it on a point that could actually be argued - don't just straight up lie.

moving chara to town btw for the irl anxious thing, i felt the exact same way this game and even messaged ag to just vent about it

{kokichi, lady angel, RUBYRED, purr, carca, perf, chara}
{maria, joey, snowman, A50}
{elsa, dunn, alonzo}

actually tbh maria should probably just be in the top row

for some reason she does't feel like voting scum!dunn which gave me pause but looking past that she's probtown

spicy takes.

{elsa, dunn, alonzo, snowman, A50} is the game winning wolf poe.

[Ruby Red]

you know i replaced him like ten minutes after ag posted in the thread, right?

[Ruby Red]

ducky i think you should continue your readthrough even if you're not responding to everything (if you weren't already doing that)

[Ruby Red]

lmfaoo

[Ruby Red]

having a lot of quotes in all of your posts != towny effort

[Ruby Red]

having a lot of quotes in all of your posts != towny effort

Nice useless shade

just challenging a fallacy i think a lot of people hold about your play. having massive quotewalls and then like 1 sentence after them isn't towny effort but it seems like people are reading it as such.

[Ruby Red]

Ruby what are the chances you and Dunn are t/t?

it's not

impossible

but like

i'm pretty sure it's not the case and i'm pretty sure that his lynch needs to happen

[Ruby Red]

also wagons point to performer/dunn not being t/t which like decreases the chances that me/dunn are t/t

[Ruby Red]

Ruby what are the chances you and Dunn are t/t?

Considering I've played 2 games with them in the past and they tunneled me in both of those while we were both town, too? Maybe

People have been coming in with fake, disproved meta on creature/even ruby red all game, look at what maria has been posting

(wrong)

[Ruby Red]

kokichi why are you opposed to voting dunn

[Ruby Red]

snowman what do you think of the dunn wagon

[Ruby Red]

gotcha

[Ruby Red]

i mean i feel like it's not really true that neap results are only useful on people who claim vt

[Ruby Red]

@maria, carca, kokichi, lady angel maybe

time to end the day

[Ruby Red]

Have Mercy Upon Us [Active]: You are a Vanilla Cop. You may target a player during the Night, investigating whether or not they are a Vanilla Townie or not. "Vanilla" results are given for any role that doesn't have any individual powers (e.g., Vanilla Townie, Mafia Goon, a Serial Killer with no other powers); "Not Vanilla" results are given on all others.

This role gets vanilla results on vanilla townies and mafia goons

Ice Cream! [Active]: You are a Neapolitan. You may investigate a player in order to discover if they are Vanilla or not. Only Vanilla Townies will return 'Vanilla' results, all other roles will return as 'Not Vanilla'.

This is the role I claimed.

so why investigate carca if you could possibly get a result on a maf goon? something i'm missing here?

@maria, carca, kokichi, lady angel maybe

time to end the day

Do you think alanzo is town

no, not really

that doesn't happen today though

[Ruby Red]

so why investigate carca if you could possibly get a result on a maf goon? something i'm missing here?

Nobody in the thread claimed mafia good

I either get "Vanilla" or "No vanilla" -

gee, i had never considered that. i also am unable to read and thus needed that repeated to me. thanks for your clarification.

[Ruby Red]

no, neapolitian is the one where every time you use it during the night the NRG has to add another variant of vanilla cop to the whitelisted roles

[Ruby Red]

"vanilla cop but every time you cop someone three people get fruit vended at random"
"vanilla cop but it's actually a bus driver"
"vanilla cop but you can only check people in other ongoing games"

[Ruby Red]

^ my nrg application

[Ruby Red]

i mean whether or not i agree with you as to that being the most effective usage of a neap is largely immaterial given our current situation

so

[Ruby Red]

i'm not kidding, and don't call me shirley.

[Ruby Red]

Nobody has given reads of kokichi at all besides him appearing in a few obscure lists like yours

i had him as town

[Ruby Red]

why do you think she actually knows whats going on

and if you think that then why isn't it a scumclaim

[Ruby Red]

even if i am wrong on you that does not make my reads bad

mini normal 2013 is evidence of that

[Ruby Red]

THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN PUSHING ME SINCE THE START OF THEIR ISOS

is there something wrong with that

that also doesn't mean i haven't been doing other things (i have)

You don't have any real reads because you've spent all game tunneling me while only giving a cursory glance at anyone else

unambiguously and verifiably false

[Ruby Red]

does anybody disagree with this lynchpool:

{

unabombah

, profii,

tchill

, dunnstral,

performer

}

[Ruby Red]

that's three scum out of five and the rest of the game basically sorted away as town.

i also tracked scum to the kill night one.

you can say whatever you want about my play this game. my reads were fucking good that game.

[Ruby Red]

if you want to be upset about getting lynched i get it. you don't have to throw mud and lie about me and out of game stuff and be scummy irl.

[Ruby Red]

that's great. i never said they weren't and i'm not going to argue with you over if they were or not. you

did

say mine weren't.

[Ruby Red]

like really, two games in which i come up with a fucking game winning poe and you keep crying about how shit i am just because i voted you day one of both of those games (both games where i eventually changed my mind and had you as town, for the record)

i'm tired of being disrespected and i don't think it's egotistical of me to say that. there are games i've played like shit. neither of those two games were one of them.

you did say mine weren't.

Actually I didn't

pedantry is a bad look for you.

[Ruby Red]

Your reads aren't good this game because if town you're so biased on me that it's affecting the rest of your reads

elsa and alonzo are scummy regardless of your alignment. i have no reasons to townread snowman even if you're town (although i do have reasons to scumread him if you're scum). a50 has nothing to do with you.

so i don't think so.

[Ruby Red]

although you could argue my maria read is associative on you. that's one to look at.

[Ruby Red]

I'm not crying about anything

I'm saying we're not following your reads in this game because they're wrong

and

i'm

saying exactly what i already said - even if i'm wrong on you it doesn't mean that my other reads are wrong.

[Ruby Red]

wolfy pop in

[Ruby Red]

because i voted you day one of both of those games

You didn't just vote me, you tunneled me in one of them for a full day phase, kind of like this game, And I don't think you ever "became right" on your read of me that game as you say it

mini 2005 - after this post (post 124), i never bring up you being scum again and have you as town for the rest of the game

Subject: Mini Normal 2005: Fun With Decimals(game over)

fuck it, dunnstral can be v for now

still want that one town game and scum game but i'll just look myself if you're not going to link them

2013 - after this post ever other instance of me bringing you up is to reaffirm my townread.

Subject: mini 2013: the chorus of i'll call b4 i cum mafia (all done)

lol my reads are shit

dunn is town from claiming vt

[Ruby Red]

everything you've said about my play in other games has been proven wrong

[Ruby Red]

god will someone fucking END THE DAY ALREADY

[Ruby Red]

yeah pretty nice avis

[Ruby Red]

a50 even if roles couldn't appear twice that would pretty usually apply to power roles and not vanilla roles

just.. no.

carca isn't scum

[Ruby Red]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

TWO PEOPLE PLEASE FUCKING END THE DAY SO I CAN GET KILLED BY SCUM

[Ruby Red]

everything you've said about my play in other games has been proven wrong

What have I said about your play in other games?

I said that you tunneled me before and this is true to my knowledge, I said that you voted me day 1 in all our games and that's true too

like i said. pedantry isn't a good look for you.

by the way, here's my crazy """tunnel""" on you from that game: asking you to stop scumclaiming as town (not fucking joking) and then saying that you were objectively wolfy:

Spoiler:

prodge busy

hey dunnstral can you stop looking like scum and start being town

unironic request

zzz una is probscum but vla

let's do this first

VOTE: dunnstral

@dunn and una if you're town start fucking doing something

Hi MariaR

wolfiest pop-in of all time

@town vote this

oh wait no dunnstral is fucking definitely wolf

wolves are lurking this game like they do every fucking game on this site.

i'm not going to let it happen. vote dunn or vote una. either works for me.

dunn is objectively wolfy this game. going after someone like azurit or (imo) performer is just looking for a deepwolf before the just wolfy players are dead.

that lynches town a majority of the time and then you're left in lylo with scumfucks that should've been lynched d1.