Limbo l Victory!

[Ruby Red]

if you care about winning the game it does

[Alonzo]

We should get another 24 hours added once joeys replacement joins

@a50

[Ruby Red]

man it's fucking tiring dealing with this shit. me and purr can only yell at people so fucking much.

[Almost50]

1- First and foremost I will officially demote the read on Ej to a town lean. I had him as strong town due to thinking he crumbed Cop. His Lawyer claim is still good, but I have been bitten once too many from him in particular. This has nothing to do with today's lynch though.

2- Dunn's wagon is being fiercely resisted, and I'd like to know why.
Is the whole scum team on the wagon? If so, why are scum pushing Dunn in particular? Why can't they find another lynch?
If not, why are they reluctant to lynch him if he is Town? Is he hard TRing scum? Did he crumb VT (or maybe he claimed and I missed it)?

This point about Dunn is what I am trying to figure out to no avail so far. Can someone help?

[Almost50]

F* it! I meant Ruby's wagon. I duuno why I s thinking Dunn

[Elsa Jay]

First and foremost I will officially demote the read on Ej to a town lean. I had him as strong town due to thinking he crumbed Cop. His Lawyer claim is still good, but I have been bitten once too many from him in particular. This has nothing to do with today's lynch though.

Finally learned this cub has teeth, huh? Or are you finally wary that every single time you've townread me in the past I was scum?

You're right that I'm town this time though.

[Chara]

if you care about winning the game it does

of course i care. no reason to be anxious about it irl, however.

and one mislynch day 1 isn't going to kill us. in fact as i've previously jokingly argued... day 1 scum lynches are anti-town.

not that i want a mislynch.
but the votecount tells me a few things. for one, i'm having difficulty imagining a world where Dunnstral is scum while Maria is town. so either they're both scum, or just Maria is.
or she's town and having a difficult time catching Dunnstral scum this time around, but that she's actively avoiding outing her read to see how others react to the Dunn wagon tells me this one is very unlikely.

and so the end result is... i'd like to lynch Maria in spite of the good feelings i had from her when we spoke directly.

but that doesn't seem viable today. i no longer want Ruby lynched, but i'm paranoid that Purr is just wrong and Ruby is simply being charismatic in a way i like right now.
paranoia is not often correct for me, so i'll discard that and call Ruby town for those things, because i

am

fairly confident Purr is town.

so that would lead to.
VOTE: Dunnstral

pedit: is Ruby's wagon being resisted that fiercely?

[Ruby Red]

VOTE: DUNNSTRAL

[Elsa Jay]

Correction to Almost: You townread me every time, not just as scum. Your my very own Naive Cop!

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: DUNNSTRAL

We get it, you don't want Dunn alive... But really. This is what you do?

[Chara]

continuing on about Ruby's wagon being resisted: i don't know if this is a good avenue to explore

yet

, because of the sheer number of factors. Ruby's lynch wagon might seem inevitable to avoid a no lynch, in the eyes of scum, so they're happy with things and some of them are already there. they might be trying to avoid clumping.
i don't like "this wagon is being resisted" arguments in general because i've seen them often employed situationally to argue for whatever lynch that player wants and is already pursuing, but hasn't quite gotten yet.

and the degrees of resistance are very relative. with some flips it may be good to look at later but i'm not interested in it day 1.

[Ruby Red]

VOTE: DUNNSTRAL

We get it, you don't want Dunn alive... But really. This is what you do?

is there a problem

[Chara]

VOTE: DUNNSTRAL

We get it, you don't want Dunn alive... But really. This is what you do?

you may be the funniest player in this game, outside of Almost, to make this post.

[Ruby Red]

it seems people believe even ridiculous things when you use colored text so perhaps large text has the same effect

[Elsa Jay]

If you made it ruby red, I'd have red it.

[Ruby Red]

btw kokichi voting me is actually straight up an anime betrayal

[Ruby Red]

DUNNSTRAL"S ENTIRE """CASE""" IS LITERALLY THE EASIEST POSSIBLE PUSH IN THE GAME OF MAFIA AND YOU SHOULD NOT BE TOWNREADING HIM FOR IT

"NEVER SEEN SCUM DUNN PUT SO MUCH EFFORT IN" OR WHATEVER IS NOT A REAL ARGUMENT TO MAKE BECAUSE POINTING OUT CREATURE"S META DOESN"T TAKE "EFFORT"

YOU SHOULD ALSO NOT BELIEVE IT BUT THAT"S NOT REALLY MY MAIN POINT HERE

THE CASE ON DUNNSTRAL POINTS OUT ___ACTUAL FUCKING SCUM INDICATIVE THINGS___

[Almost50]

VOTE: Dunn

Fine with me.

[Ruby Red]

i think 548 never ever comes from town just as a post. even more though the timing of it seems incredibly agenda-oriented rather than a real thought. creature lurking isn't just something that suddenly happens after i replace in and vote him, it's only something that he brings up after i vote him

i don't think his me/performer associative scumread is actually real or warranted given anything posted in thread

i think he's changed the strength of his maria scumread as is useful to him (i.e. 660 being a good example, maria stops voting him and he asks if she wants to tryhard with him despite scumreading her)

i think he's switched from me being scum to performer being scum because it's an easier deflection to get people who were or might be voting him to vote performer (see carca's unvote as a good example)

consider that if performer were scum and dunnstral were town, performer would ALWAYS be fucking voting dunnstral right now rather than locktowning him.

"what if they're both scum", i hear you say. dunnstral is still scum in that scenario, and then we lynch performer tomorrow just for the lulz

[Ruby Red]

548 IS A SCUMCLAIM THE LIKES OF WHICH I WOULD MAINTAIN DUNN DESERVED TO DIE FOR EVEN IF HE WERE TO GET LYNCHED AND FLIP TOWN

[Ruby Red]

LIKE DUNN IF YOU"RE TOWN THEN SORRY DUDE BUT I THINK I"M PRETTY JUSTIFIED IN EVERYTHING I"VE BEEN SAYING LUCKILY I DON"T THINK YOU"RE TOWN

[Alonzo]

548 is just dumb, but its exactly the same kinda shit you just said with reguards to my slot isn't it?

[Elsa Jay]

That was Scarlett red. Le sigh.

[Ruby Red]

548 is just dumb, but its exactly the same kinda shit you just said with reguards to my slot isn't it?

i pointed out the irony and there's a reason i'm not voting you rn

if you're town then be town (like i have )

why'd you have to make 1313? it's pinging me.
i'll note that but still going to go with Purr's townread on you.

because i legit think that manatee scum meta is true (despite the irony)

[Ruby Red]

548 is just dumb, but its exactly the same kinda shit you just said with reguards to my slot isn't it?

and beyond that it's not just the literal content of the post. it's the entire surrounding context too. creature doesn't just suddenly go from "not lurking" to "lurking". the fact that dunnstral only points it out like literally right after i start pushing him PLUS the like faux-sly way he went about it is highly fucking wolf indicative