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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:07 pm

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L-2
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:10 pm

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Vote Count #1.1:


Bulbazoor:
2ndStoryWindow, Flavor Leaf, Vorkuta (3)
Flavor Leaf:
Alonzo, Bulbazoor (2)
Guten tag:
muh316 (1)
muh316:
Guten tag (1)
Alonzo:
Flicker (1)
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Not Voting:
None.

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.


V/LA:
None.

Deadline:
(expired on 2018-11-25 20:20:00)
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:13 pm

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In post 49, Bulbazoor wrote:An early bw on someone who has been talking isn't exactly the best thing to initiate. Especially since I already have pressure on me for my RVS votes.


Well the only bandwagon I can hop on is either on you or FL, and FL is the guy from my
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previous game that I liked the most, so it's not him :mrgreen:
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:18 pm

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Well someone has to unvote at some point because it makes no sense to lynch this quickly.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:21 pm

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In post 27, Bulbazoor wrote:muh and flavor are among the people I want to lynch
Would you say the same thing if either one of their wagons were at L-1?
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:23 pm

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yes. if it was on someone I townread. BUt for me, it's natural to get defensive because I know I am town.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:26 pm

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As town, I would gladly accept the D-1 lynch as a necessary sacrifice and hope town can build a solid case based on any evidence that I've left behind while alive
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:27 pm

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I don't know if I trust town if they were willing to lynch me as town. It's a part of me to hate being lynched in any case
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:40 pm

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Did Vorkuta just try to pocket Flavour or what?
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:45 pm

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In post 48, Bulbazoor wrote:Flicker why are you mad that I tr guten and wouldn't want him today?
I'm not mad, I just think it's a borderline nonsensical read.

Also, you upgrading/clarifying your position to "wouldn't want him today" is a little worrisome.
In post 53, Bulbazoor wrote:Well someone has to unvote at some point because it makes no sense to lynch this quickly.
Personally I don't think L-2 is that dangerous, but hopefully they'll unvote when they see my cool new wagon. :wink:
In post 56, Vorkuta wrote:As town, I would gladly accept the D-1 lynch as a necessary sacrifice and hope town can build a solid case based on any evidence that I've left behind while alive
VOTE: Vorkuta because this post pings my scum radar.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:51 pm

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I stand by what I wrote. Unfortunately the probability (22%) of randomly catching scum on the first day is more than that (20%) of randomly guessing based on the bandwagon after someone flips green. I like my odds, and bulbasaur is responding quite selfishly and anti-towny. Almost even contrary to the town's win condition....
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:57 pm

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In post 60, Vorkuta wrote:Unfortunately the probability (22%) of randomly catching scum on the first day is more than that (20%) of randomly guessing based on the bandwagon after someone flips green.
I'm not sure what this means, can you elaborate?
In post 60, Vorkuta wrote:I like my odds, and bulbasaur is responding quite selfishly and anti-towny. Almost even contrary to the town's win condition....
Are you suggesting Bulbazoor is a policy lynch more than a scum read?
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:59 pm

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In post 58, Alonzo wrote:Did Vorkuta just try to pocket Flavour or what?
So it's both extremely annoying yet somehow makes me feel so flattered that I have a new meta of being insanely easy to pocket with comments like from Vorkuta.

But I asked myself literally the same thing reading his post in a..."Oh...I'm so honored that you're hardcore trying to pocket me right now, and you know what, it's working!!"
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:07 pm

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UNVOTE: Bulbazor

Because he said basically "Well SOMEONE has to unvote me because I'm town! Come on, please..."

Not gonna lie, I really felt the genuine ness of it. Is that a solid reason to town read someone? I'm going to say yes. Haha.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:09 pm

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In post 61, Flicker wrote:I'm not sure what this means, can you elaborate?
Say we all collectively randomly picked someone to lynch on D-1. Odds that we hit scum are 2/9 = 22%.
Now let's assume they flip townie, obviously we have to analyze the wagon. I have faith in town (unlike Bulba) and believe that they will not lynch unless there is scum intervention- this is just my interpretation of game theory and what not. There is 1 scum out of 5 people who voted to lynch = 20%.

Simple statistics tells me that without any additional information I'd rather be the one to pick someone at random to lynch, than analyze a wagon that I wasn't on.
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:14 pm

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In post 60, Vorkuta wrote:I stand by what I wrote. Unfortunately the probability (22%) of randomly catching scum on the first day is more than that (20%) of randomly guessing based on the bandwagon after someone flips green. I like my odds, and bulbasaur is responding quite selfishly and anti-towny. Almost even contrary to the town's win condition....
Well I think voting Guten for not confirming early was a bad reason. I'll admit I shouldn't tr him atm. I tr flicker because she seems to be trying to solve the game and called to question my bad TR which I'll now backtrack on because there are way townier people. I like flavor unvoting me.

Vork, nothing about what I said was antitown. How is me not wanting to get lynched as town antitown?
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:14 pm

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Plus
In post 27, Bulbazoor wrote:the people I want to lynch today already
really grinds my gears. On top of having some sort of personal vendetta, being overall untrustworthy of town
In post 57, Bulbazoor wrote:I don't know if I trust town if they were willing to lynch me as town
puts bulba in scum territory for me
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:15 pm

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You should like it, Bulba. We're both town.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:17 pm

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What personal vendetta? Lol
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:18 pm

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In post 29, Flicker wrote:
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How much experience do you have playing mafia?
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:18 pm

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If town sucked enough to lynch me, they don't deserve my trust. Simple as that.
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:19 pm

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In post 69, Emperor flippyNips wrote:
In post 29, Flicker wrote:
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How much experience do you have playing mafia?
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What are your thoughts on Alonzo's excitement over you? If he's scum, would you let him get away with it...because I would. Flattery'll get you everywhere.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:21 pm

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In post 37, Bulbazoor wrote:
In post 7, muh316 wrote:VOTE: Guten tag for not confirming yet
Voting someone for not confirming seems like setting up for a later push on them solely for not confirming early. Guten sounds pretty genuine so far to me. And look at how Flavor tried to vote me for me voting him. It wasn't a forced and weak push. It was an attempt to gouge your reactions and so far you aren't reacting well. Rapidly anger-voting me when I call you out is not a good thing to do. You got defensive as soon as I started attempting to pressure you.
I agree with Flicker, this seems like you're reaching too hard but I like it because you helped get us out of RVS. I guess you're suggesting that I would use this to push for a policy lynch. I personally think it's better to drag out the first day because it gives you more info on possible scum teams and voting patterns come D2. It seems like you're really pushing for a quick lynch which I don't agree with.

I also find it funny how you think Guten sounds genuine when he's only written 5 words since the game started :lol:
In post 58, Alonzo wrote:Did Vorkuta just try to pocket Flavour or what?
Also, can someone tell me what it means to pocket someone?
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:24 pm

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In post 68, Bulbazoor wrote:What personal vendetta?
In post 27, Bulbazoor wrote:muh and flavor are among the people I want to lynch today already
And I find it hard to believe that an SE player would be this cynical and jaded
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:25 pm

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Pocket means when scum tries to get on a townie's side basically, so that the townie town reads the scum and helps them not get lynched and push other lynches. Generally this comes with scum doing things to try and get certain people specifically to be on their side.

I like to think of it like the townie who is getting pocketed is a super dumb, but extremely cute little creature who the evil villain is holding inside his pocket. This is similar to buddying, and that's when scum tries to get chummy with a townie.

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