Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[Keyser Söze]

Dr J

Keyser
Volxen

Eragon
Ausuka

Irrelephant
TW
LabRat

Right now I'm here TW:

Volxen
TW

Eragon
Ausuka

LabRat

Irrelephant

[Keyser Söze]

Weird thing is I wrote off LabRat as NOT scum partners with Dr J on D1 (due to their 'pressing'/'drama' of eachother).

[Keyser Söze]

I do feel LabRat and Irrellephant have been sheeping you a lot though.

I think you started to feel those vibes only yesterday.

[the worst]

yeah I'm an infamously easy pocket but I don't think many people know I have like...potently good reads early day one pretty commonly

i just have a habit of getting distracted and then pocketed by them
gut entering this thread was {keys, labby} contained two scum and i'm worried i deathtunneled the wrong one and the actual scum slipped through.. :/

don't have the energy to like, convince myself of this right now

[the worst]

btw i think you're outside the "keyser townrange" i know but on reflection maybe... not necessarily... in a bad way?
just like, not what i've come to expect from you as town

interestingly enough though if this is actually you're scumgame i'm surprised by a few things and will reconsider my profile of you as a player. not in a bad way at all. just a surprised way. <3

[Keyser Söze]

Simple VCA, your thoughts please:

Creature (5) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, volxen, Ausuka, the worst, Irrelephant

We now know Dr J was the scum on this wagon. Do you think all three scum are on this wagon? I would say no 95% of the time.




Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (5) - Keyser Söze, volxen, Ausuka, Irrelephant, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

Dr J annoyingly self hammered so we lose out on getting that fifth player to commit to this wagon, but again - can you see all three scum on this wagon? I would hesitantly say NO.

Eragon has been off wagon twice now... (he’s made the right choice twice now, so unless we go down the scum-who-wants-town-cred route, he’s likely just a townie with good reads).

LabRat has also been off wagon twice but her reasons for being so are less transparent.

[Keyser Söze]

btw i think you're outside the "keyser townrange" i know but on reflection maybe... not necessarily... in a bad way?
just like, not what i've come to expect from you as town

interestingly enough though if this is actually you're scumgame i'm surprised by a few things and will reconsider my profile of you as a player. not in a bad way at all. just a surprised way. <3

Yep, I got caught up in my old keyser ways (extreme confirm bias). That’s why I had a year break from the game.

[Keyser Söze]

I’m glad today is not about me vs you too - maybe that is what scum wanted?

[the worst]

unfortunately in this setup vca is tough unless there's like a CLEAR AGENDA (d2 which i'll analyse later)
d1 was a clunky + largely town-pushed mislynch. secretly i strongly wolfread lcp's creature wagonomics analysis wrt my slot in isolation but didn't really wanna talk about that

actually i'm a little tilted so just quickly

Spoiler: my issues with heaven 1 going to dr. jekyll

1. korina is frozen and wolfy as scum and has been v/la, we should have waited for him to come back bc he's a lotttt easier to sort than lcp
2. slot was towny in iso but had reasonable wolf equity with every slot in the game
3. the gamestate was clearly scum driven and dr. j was very obviously the preferred lynch over volxen who was imo markedly more obvtown
4. it is correct play if korina is on your wolfteam to find a way to remove korina from the game before he freezes and is correctly wolfread
(postgame: sorry kor, based on previous self meta i think you know i'm a little right)

ok tilt removed
d1 wagonomics probably won't give a whole lot away? if wolves are in nullslots they avoid wagons so that they're never correctly resolved bc they're not going to heaven

[the worst]

I’m glad today is not about me vs you too - maybe that is what scum wanted?

if we're tvt, 100% definitely

[the worst]

cyoot fuzzy oxy

Did you know?

Muskoxen often form giant circles using their horns to protect themselves from various predators..

Votecount 1.07

Creature (2) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst
Keyser Söze (1) - Lefty
LabRat01 (1) - volxen
the worst (1) - Irrelephant
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Carmen
Not Voting - Creature, LabRat01, Keyser Söze

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

think dr. j flip spews me town tbqh but this is case in point
d1 vca was very very boring, also i hope carmen's slot is town but this is 1% >rand scum

ostirchos!

Did you know?

In the peak of their lifespan, ostriches have one of the strongest and most advanced immune systems..

Votecount 1.08

Creature (4) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst, Keyser Söze, volxen
Keyser Söze (2) - Lefty, Irrelephant
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Carmen
Not Voting - Creature, LabRat01

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

given gamestate and strong scumcasing plus one wolf onwagon i think both yours and volxen's votes are probably more likely to come from town
i can see you as a tEh ScuMZ mastermind wrt sheeping me thru a mislynch, hard pushing the d2 lynch onto your scumbuddy and away from town!volxen but i'm losing a lot of interest in this theory

cpajbyara?

Did you know?

Capybara's can hold their breath underwater for up to 5 minutes..

Votecount 1.09

Creature (3) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst, volxen
Keyser Söze (1) - Lefty
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Eragon
Eragon (1) - Irrelephant
Not Voting - Creature, LabRat01, Keyser Söze

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

pro tinfoil scum!keyser theory via vca otherwise wolves are avoiding like the plague
i'm kinda figuring if they realised dr. J was a prime candidate for heaven in phase 2 this is like..probably the correct time to avoid the wagon bc it's gonna be confirmed to have a woofer on it...? but also volxen is the other candidate
either way ye i think there's exactly 1 scum on wagon at this point (clearing volxen furtherer)

hehe

Did you know?

Baby peacocks can function on their own just one day after birth..

Votecount 1.10

Creature (4) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst, volxen, Ausuka
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Eragon
Eragon (1) - Irrelephant
Not Voting - Creature, LabRat01, Keyser Söze

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

i don't think scum!suka is wagonminded so i can't strongly v/ca but i think her repping in then leaping onto a wagon with a wolfbuddy is less likely than this just being town!suka

did i/someone force her onto the wagon or was this organic?

kitties

Did you know?

Highland cattle are well adapted to the scottish highlands, and have been compared to caribou in resiliency..

Votecount 1.11

Creature (5) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, volxen, Ausuka, the worst, Irrelephant
Keyser (2) - LabRat01, Creature
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Eragon
Eragon (1) - Keyser Söze
Not Voting -

Creature has been lynched! He was...

Spoiler:

A Vanilla Townie

Time till end of heaven phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-22 15:30:00)

..if other wolf on wagon probably relly

[the worst]

i'm really sorry i don't have the capacity for decent vca right now. these are just impressions.

Hi, welcome

Vote creature with me?

Sure, if this is a WW reunion I have to get called opportunistic at least once right?

VOTE: Creature

i wanna SvS read this exchange but in context of jUUUst repping in it's probably TvS indicative
it'd be kinda like..weird for LCP who's bold but not reckless to tell his scumbuddy where to vote then not make any effort to get her involved in the game.. like a part of me wants some dumb awkward "waht r ur reds" question from LCP after this but it never comes...

probably somewhat town indicative for Ausuka

[the worst]

could you dig me up the exchange between labby and dr. j which felt unaligned?

[Keyser Söze]

Irrelephant's posts on Dr J (the colours represent Irrelephant's read on Dr J):

DAY ONE - HELL

"slight townlean for this (more because it's Korina than if it was anyone else)"

"Though I feel like it's probably too early to say this"

"Korina is kinda LAMIST-y as town, at least based on the one game we played together"

"rat/drj... possible scum partners but only if they planned for early theater from the get go"

"Also do you really think it's the three of them?? I don't understand how you're this confident (especially on creature, who hasn't posted once?)"

"

Your push on labrat is too much imo and I can't decide if it's more likely to come from scum!you or town!you

Like I don't have this super strong townread on labrat but I feel like you're really sure he's scum because... he contradicted himself?

tbf I guess it's towny of you to push him hard to get more that *is* AI from him, so I should probably just let you two do your thing and see how it goes"

"overall I still think this is a bad reason to townread tw"

"{me}
{tw, volxen, DrJ}
{labrat}
{Carmen, lefty} - null
{keyser}
{creature}"

"I think I maybe like swapping volxen/DrJ, or putting you in the second Heaven if we get there"

"LAMIST as a self-meta-replicating strategy is possible but maybe unlikely, given I seemed to surprise Korina by describing their play that way? I'll concede that it's probably closer to NAI/townlean than *strongly* town indicative, given I'm not that familiar with scum!Korina or the other head
I'd have to do a deeper dive to remember if DrJ's pushes led or followed the crowd on labrat - do you know offhand from re-reading? Definitely some element of sheeping tw on Creature, I think"

"actually yeah I'm not seeing what you're seeing re:tunnel vision
What about DrJ's play feels tunnel vision-y?"

"I think I'm right about AT townlean for DrJ. I had them higher before you pointed out that LAMIST-as-town-meta doesn't mean they have to be town just because they're LAMIST. I haven't had the time to read their ISO like I wanted, too much going on at work today"

"

I think I come out with a stronger townlean again, actually. DrJ's paranoia seems real (feels uninformed, truly sorting) and the LAMIST style fits town meta w/o being cognizant that that is their town meta

I tried to glance at LCPL's meta for anything LAMIST-y but he only has scum games, so that doesn't help. still, I feel like newbie's look lamist-y more often anyway (and I don't really agree he's as lamist as korina anyway)

If Keyser is scum here he feels confident that buddying with the right people will save his team, or he's scum with DrJ

..."

DAY TWO - HEAVEN

"DrJ is the townie with the worst reads so far, which is why he is easy to wagon this game phase. Paranoid about the very popular push to Heaven them, but maybe scum are just looking to lynch townies in every phase idk."

"{me}
{the worst}
{volxen, ausuka, DrJ}
{labrat} - null
{keyser, eragon}"

"

Yeah I think scum is trying to take towncred for sending DrJ to Heaven more than anything.

Trying to imagine a world where DrJ is scum, and it's hard to make sense of the universal townreads (including my own).

Honestly I think scum might just be trying to get to judgment day ASAP, and send their favorite townie to Heaven, since I think volxen & DrJ are both probably town

"

"

Anyone think DrJ is scum?

Someone remind me the towncase

"

"

No, I don't think labrat or Dr J have much scum equity

"

"

but I'm just now noticing the deadline so fine, VOTE: Doctor Jekyll, My Hyde because at this point I don't care about this game phase anymore

"

"

everyone is convinced that Keyser has solved the game so, great. Either Dr J is town or this flip will be extremely telling anyway

"

[Keyser Söze]

could you dig me up the exchange between labby and dr. j which felt unaligned?

Will do... soon.

[Keyser Söze]

I don't like how Irelphant would express a town read of Dr J (but then to slip in a bit of doubt, incase of a scum flip)

Irelelphant also kept trying to pin me on Dr J as scum partners, which I never understood. (in my world view we were two townies. And in his world view Dr J was supposed to be town)


""Anyone think DrJ is scum?
Someone remind me the towncase"
These are awful posts to share at that time. Everyone was town reading Dr J. Even Irrelphant was. Why post this?


TMI'ing: "this flip will be extremely telling anyway"

[Keyser Söze]

could you dig me up the exchange between labby and dr. j which felt unaligned?

Will do... soon.

It kind of dominating the whole of their initial D1 focus: Dr J vs LabRat.

There are a lot of posts.

My initial association theory came from around RVS time though.

[the worst]

uh i forgot to post ugh

i think d2 was pivoted to make you look w/w with Dr. J by the end of it
subtle pushes, plus the volx lynch would have been the work of EEVIL SCUM TW so you never would've gone for that

it's much more effective to position the top poster into doing your will than arm wrestling the top poster so *shrug*

incidentally i think the position we're in is if you're s/s with Dr. J your d2 play was unbelievably level 1

like on d1 i could scumcase you but i'd be writing about a comic book villain by eod2 and it's exhausting

[the worst]

plus unconvincing.

[Keyser Söze]

the colours represent Irrelephant's read on Dr J):

Or more so the strength/conviction of his read . I concede Irrelephant never scum cased Dr J.

[Keyser Söze]

Plus LabRat and Irreplhant have been following the classic scum indicative behaviour of going missing, then coming back with lots of posts.. then disappearing...

There should be more natural nuanced filler inbetween IMO. Especially from town!Irrlephant that is.



Is there a player you think I should be evaluating outside these two players?

[the worst]

I'd be keen to see whether Rel's more nuanced reads were his own as well tbh, they've definitely been echoed but unsure if by him or by who

[the worst]

basically accepting:
- if you're s/s with DrJ after d2 I need a break from mafia because I am BAD
- I keep arriving at a net townlean on Ausuka
- every time I think about Eragon as scum, a tiny yellow feathery tear rolls down my cheek (and he also yells at me >:C)
- Labby I largely townread d1 because she talked me out of it and d2 via gamestate stuff which relied on tvt wagons which scum!Keyser was manipulating to get his favourite townie into heaven)
- I've had a really hard time townreading Relly here


ye I'm OK with where you're at

[the worst]

- every time I think about Eragon as scum, a tiny yellow feathery tear rolls down my cheek (and he also yells at me >:C)

also some of his reads have shown a thought process really different from watchmen wanted which I think is more in line with how town!Eragon forms his read. he played a fucking good game but also was townbinned there partially due to gamestate and poor wagonomics (plus the inordinate amount of TvTs he could coast through )

we're deffo looking at a different era here, he's a lot sharper with a smoother trajectory and he's like. cognisant of his position within the gamestate and how slots are revolving around him, y'know?

either his wolf WIM has soared or he's Just Good Ol' Town

[Keyser Söze]

Oh, and I don’t get LabRat’s scum read on me for not defending Creature enough and not pressing counter wagons on strong scum reads I never had on D1 (as if it was my moral duty as a townie, and failing to do so was “incredibly detrimental and REALLY unlikely” for a townie)???

I don’t see that as legitimate reason to scum read me.