Open 740: Hope Plus One [Game over]

[ChibiBear]

Oof. Where are all the claims? That was before I replaced in so I can't really remember.

[Clemency]

from the way i understood it SA and A50 claimed

[Clemency]

but i'm not sure and i'm not in a place to re-read

[bristep123]

We're going to need any doctors still out there to CC now aren't we. FFS. Assuming that either A50 or SA are lying we still have another doctor out there (or 2, if they both are) so there's now a risk of cancelling out each other's protection.

IF Volx is town cop (which he isn't) then we lose that PR today which is a bad hit for the town but a guaranteed scum hit on D2 with Clem. If Clem is cop (which I believe as have had a TR all game on him) then we're losing a doctor tonight, then probably Clem night 2 so we need to try and work out who Clem investigates tonight to ensure we hit scum 2 nights in a row.

[bristep123]

A50's claim viewtopic.php?p=10547969#p10547969

SA's claim viewtopic.php?p=10567279#p10567279

[Clemency]

if i'm gonna investigate someone it should probably not be one of the doc claims, to avoid redundancy

[ChibiBear]

A50's claim viewtopic.php?p=10547969#p10547969

SA's claim viewtopic.php?p=10567279#p10567279

Cheers, time to put in some actual effort!

[ChibiBear]

Ok so I don't think this is like the proper strategy but I'd rather not lynch anyone who has claimed PR (up until this point) until after D2 when we have more info from flips and stuff, just in case.

Although if it ends up coming down to the deadline and there's someone at L-1, I will hammer regardless of who it is because a No Lynch on D1 is just bad.

Soooo... I guess that leaves me with Bambi and bri to vote for. Hmmmmmmm.

[Clemency]

we dont want a no-lynch but we dont want the potential chaos of both doctors healing one target

[bristep123]

What's the case on me Chibi by the by? You've put my name out there a couple of times but have given absolutely no reasoning.

[ChibiBear]

I don't have a case, my 'logical' early game reads are hilariously awful so I decided to try going by feel this time around, see if it works out better

[bristep123]

Ok, I can rephrase if you like, what have you seen that makes you feel I am scum?

[ChibiBear]

I mean if I could explain it then it wouldn't be based on feel.

If you guys want me to do D1 reads based on actual thinking then I'll try to give it a go before the deadline but I don't really see a point considering my level of suckage.

I prefer to spend D1 figuring out who I think is town that I can trust. So far I'm liking Egix and DS in particular for town. Probably also Dave and Sleep.

[BuJaber]

ofrhz has requested replacement.

[Clemency]

ofrhz has requested replacement.

we'll want eyes on this slot

[Clemency]

here's my theory about ofrhz slot
last game, as a few players here can vouch for me, ofrhz was scum, and not very confident on his slot, so he let his scumpartner run the game along

this game, he pulls scum again, feels less motivated to play
you can see this from the lesser activity and the recent absence

what i imagine happened is: ofrhz comes back from his extended break, and sees us confirm one scum(volx)
not only that, but volx wastes the scum's potential day 2-3 cc on town cop, hindering scum as a whole
ofrhz goes "fuck this", replaces out, lets someone else handle it
i'm so confident on this i wont even spend my investigation on it

[Egix96]

here's my theory about ofrhz slot
last game, as a few players here can vouch for me, ofrhz was scum, and not very confident on his slot, so he let his scumpartner run the game along

this game, he pulls scum again, feels less motivated to play
you can see this from the lesser activity and the recent absence

what i imagine happened is: ofrhz comes back from his extended break, and sees us confirm one scum(volx)
not only that, but volx wastes the scum's potential day 2-3 cc on town cop, hindering scum as a whole
ofrhz goes "fuck this", replaces out, lets someone else handle it
i'm so confident on this i wont even spend my investigation on it

I think that's too angleshooty but eh you do you.

[Clemency]

look i've got a flow going and i'm riding the high

[Bambietta Basterbine]

Alright Clem, let's be Frank. Nobody here is gonna trust me and I'll be a mislynch tomorrow if I'm not checked tonight. Also being a confirmed town atleast garuntees the mafia have to shoot me before MyLo or whatever.

Checking a possible scum like Ofrhz might sound good, but then we walk into tomorrow with 0 info besides the obvious. Get me out of the equation, and suddenly a lot of people's agenda is revealed.

Almost recommended it, and I was gonna fake being a doc, but at this point I gotta take one for the team. Check me.

[Clemency]

i've been considering checking you all game for just those reasons but i have to calculate my options
others weigh in, if you may

[Bambietta Basterbine]

Well, just saying, scum me is very confident you won't check me while town me prays to God you do.

You may know it, but I cant tell the difference between my scum and town games when I play. So rather then let scum me get away with this, help town me out here.

Yes I'm confident enough to literally say this outloud as scum.

[bristep123]

I'm aware we might get a lynch on Volx before the 2 claimed doctors state their intentions re: protection since neither are prolific contributors so far.

Clem - If you protect Bambi tonight and the 2 doctors protect you and Bambi it guarantees you're both alive on D2, and tbh will give one of 3 scenarios

Volx flips town - You die D2
Volx flips scum, you get scum result on Bambi - Bambi dies D2
Volx flips scum, you get town result on Bambi - 2 guaranteed town players.

I'm not convinced that both claimed docs are telling the truth, so I would suggest that BOTH protect Clem tonight. If there is another doctor out there, they protect Bambi.

My theory for that is as follows

If A50 or SA are lying scum then Bambi and Clem are both protected. If the scum kills the real doc overnight it allows them to kill Clem on N2 but really puts pressure on the scum fake claimer on D2 and a real lynch risk.
If A50 or SA are lying town then Bambi and Clem are both protected. Scum won't know the roles of either so by targetting one of the two claimants might accidentally shoot a vanilla townie essentially confirming the other as Macho Doc (and guaranteeing Clem sees D3 and gives us another read).
If A50 AND SA are both truthing then scum don't know this and trying to kill either claimant or Clem/Bambi will run the risk of wasting their kill.

[Almost50]

sigh
keep your votes on volx

Is this a CC??

[Sleepless Assassin]

Almost50 what's the plan?

[Almost50]

it sucks that i have to make this cc from class

It is! OK..

VOTE: Volxen

And is this the setup where if both Doctors target the same person both fail? If not, then I guess it's alright if both Doctors protect the Cop anyway. If it is though, then the one who outed does.

P=edit: You outed already, you protect Celemency. The other Doctor (supposedly me) will not announce their target.