Excalibur [Endgame]

[MariaR]

If I had my way right now:
Smart/LLD would be dueling
winner goes for the sword along with Dva or UT.

[DVa]

Also,
FoS: DVa. She's a lot more chatty as town, and finds it difficult to emulate that as scum.
She has had not a *single* non-serious post this game, excepting 650, a (seemingly half-hearted) response to Firebringer asking her for vids/GIFs.
DVa, do you think my meta evaluation of you is fair?

Did you read Witches Ball?

[DVa]

If I had my way right now:
Smart/LLD would be dueling
winner goes for the sword along with Dva or UT.

Does this mean you're scumreading me Maria?

[DVa]

If only you knew this during witches ball. Oh well soldiers live and learn with experience

I mean, yeah? I'm very much thinking of Witches Ball here and RC nearly throwing that game makes me pretty suspicious of the value of 'town leaders'.

[Auro]

Did you read Witches Ball?

I might have, in the past. If you're referring to the post where you actually recognize that self-meta, I did read it before.
FYPOV why is my meta evaluation of you wrong?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also, UT looks significantly worse. The post he made about taking the sword and shooting and taking the sword and shooting is awful. Whoever gets the sword should not be shooting.

Didn't like his "I'm not using hurt tags, just gladiate your scumreads" seems like his intent was to destroy any town teamwork.

+1

[MariaR]

If I had my way right now:
Smart/LLD would be dueling
winner goes for the sword along with Dva or UT.

Does this mean you're scumreading me Maria?

I could see you flipping scum yes but I would rather see you go for the sword then dual.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm more interested in having a unique experience than I am in trying to game the setup to be something it wasn't designed to be.

This part reads to me a lot like you saying you'd rather have fun than win the game

Looks like you're trying to lead him to say he's anti-town.
I actually weakly think UT is town.

Why?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I actually weakly think UT is town.

why?

Given the current gamestate with multiple people saying they'd policy vote gladiates, this seems like daring behavior from UT, right? Of course he might just be discouraging town cohesion, but just comes off as a troll of some sort -- wouldn't he be bit more careful as scum?

???

UT didn't gladiate anyone...

Being aggressive doesn’t make you town. Ever played with scum!Thor?

[DVa]

I might have, in the past. If you're referring to the post where you actually recognize that self-meta, I did read it before.
FYPOV why is my meta evaluation of you wrong?

Your experience with me is from:
One newbie game as town
One Mini Normal as town
One newbie game as scum

In the Mini Normal, I joked tanks briefly in RVS and then was serious for pretty much the rest of the game
In the town newbie, I provoked the new players with nicknames
In the scum newbie, I played seriously

So while I think I can see where you'd come up with that, you are ignoring the Mini Normal, and you have not read Witches Ball, which is the closer analogue to how I'd interact with this list. In Witches Ball I for the most part was pretty serious

So I would say you're being selective in your meta analysis, yes, unless the Mini Normal left less of an impact because you were dead

[Nancy Drew 39]

p.edit, agreeing with Dunn, that was meant for Auro.

[Auro]

Your experience with me is from:
One newbie game as town
One Mini Normal as town
One newbie game as scum

In the Mini Normal, I joked tanks briefly in RVS and then was serious for pretty much the rest of the game
In the town newbie, I provoked the new players with nicknames
In the scum newbie, I played seriously

So while I think I can see where you'd come up with that, you are ignoring the Mini Normal, and you have not read Witches Ball, which is the closer analogue to how I'd interact with this list. In Witches Ball I for the most part was pretty serious

So I would say you're being selective in your meta analysis, yes, unless the Mini Normal left less of an impact because you were dead

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The other scum game for you (which I wasn't in). Not a single chummy post here too.

Mini Normal 2040 doesn't easily fit here because you

did

start getting serious at the A50-NM policy no-lynch, which happened before my death. Till that point you were chummy here and there, so fits the pattern.

[Auro]

Being aggressive doesn’t make you town. Ever played with scum!Thor?

Did I townread someone for aggression?
Gladiating without town consensus is anti-town, not just aggressive.
What are you asking me, exactly?

[DVa]

Mini Normal 2040 doesn't easily fit here because you did start getting serious at the A50-NM policy no-lynch, which happened before my death. Till that point you were chummy here and there, so fits the pattern.

True but that was only like a few posts? We're past RVS here. If you're scumreading me because I'm not posting memes at post 70 then your use of meta is rather weak my friend

[DVa]

Maybe you feel like I'm scummy because I'm less jokey with you in particular given that I'm not locking you as town as quickly as I did in the newbie game? Have you considered the possibility your read of me is warped because you are not used to me scumreading you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I actually weakly think UT is town.

why?

Given the current gamestate with multiple people saying they'd policy vote gladiates, this seems like daring behavior from UT, right? Of course he might just be discouraging town cohesion, but just comes off as a troll of some sort -- wouldn't he be bit more careful as scum?

I’ve never played with scum!UT. I think that depends on meta. At any rate, opposing hurt tags reads anti-town to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Unless, you’re suggesting that anyone who has the sword must also attrmpt to vig? But since this is not a desperado role, that only results in dead townies, so having Merlin confirm Arthur after he already has the sword makes sense, doesn’t it?

If one person grabs the sword and never tries to shoot it, then arthur never gets ahold of it in the first place though

If they don't vig they're confirmed town, yes, which is useful in it's own right (in fact, if arthur never grabs the sword then we have, potentially, an additional confirmed town to narrow things down), BUT it also means we have less power to try to put the sword on other people

Wacky theory:
Kills happen before claiming right? So wouldn’t an attempted claim the same night a non-Arthur Town shoots get the sword? That could be a way to expedite the sword changing hands.

@FakeGod What happens if someone tries to claim when the sword is already claimed?

They can’t. Once claimed, can never be unclaimed, unless the claimant dies, I think.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gamma Emerald -- probable town
Varsoon -- possible town
MariaR -- possible town
Dunnstral -- possible town

Something_Smart -- null
VeridianCleric -- null
SirCakez -- null
Ariane -- null
Nancy Drew 39 -- null
Frozen Angel -- MIA

Auro -- possible scum
Elsa Jay -- possible scum
Firebringer -- claimed scum
Untrod Tripod -- possible scum
Lady Lambdadelta -- possible scum
Kokichi Oma -- possible scum

only 4 scum so need to sort the town out of my possible scums at some point.

I bet I’d be a townread, if it weren’t for Dance, amirite?

[Auro]

Mini Normal 2040 doesn't easily fit here because you did start getting serious at the A50-NM policy no-lynch, which happened before my death. Till that point you were chummy here and there, so fits the pattern.

True but that was only like a few posts? We're past RVS here. If you're scumreading me because I'm not posting memes at post 70 then your use of meta is rather weak my friend

Only a few posts till the A50-DVa exchanged caused a change in attitude.
Even you know it's harder for you to chummy-talk when you roll scum.
Faking it is something you're probably not comfortable doing yet, IMO.
Your

complete

lack of chummy/teasing posts (Don't have to be memes, you'd often just insert this kinda stuff into posts) increases the likelihood of your being scum, doesn't it?

Maybe you feel like I'm scummy because I'm less jokey with you in particular given that I'm not locking you as town as quickly as I did in the newbie game? Have you considered the possibility your read of me is warped because you are not used to me scumreading you?

You're being less jokey in general. You were *very* chummy muuuch before you actually sorted me.
This is not an OMGUS, by any stretch. This is an objective meta argument.

[DVa]

Your complete lack of chummy/teasing posts (Don't have to be memes, you'd often just insert this kinda stuff into posts) increases the likelihood of your being scum, doesn't it?

You're also ignoring that:
a) everyone complained about it in the newbie game (even if it helped my win)
and
b) the reason I was doing it (its success in BoR) was proven to be a total failure in 2040

Basically Elsa ruined my memes.

[Auro]

You're also ignoring that:
a) everyone complained about it in the newbie game (even if it helped my win)
and
b) the reason I was doing it (its success in BoR) was proven to be a total failure in 2040

Basically Elsa ruined my memes.

a) Everyone complained about the nicknames (which were confusing to them), NOT the chummy attitude.
b) I doubt you generally do this for any reason. It's just your style -- You do it because you like doing it, not for some scumhunting advantage. Also, if it was a total failure in 2040, what made you adopt it in Newbie 1899? You literally posted a meme there, too.

These factors don't affect the meta case on you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I had my way right now:
Smart/LLD would be dueling
winner goes for the sword along with Dva or UT.

Does this mean you're scumreading me Maria?

I could see you flipping scum yes but I would rather see you go for the sword then dual.

I find it interesting you want me to duel day 1. I think that seems strictly suboptimal, don't you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Best general scumplay ATM is probably to troll around and distract from town beginning to work together, and try to draw them into gladiating at worst.

That's exactly what UT is doing but he's town to you because "would he be that bold" or something

UT doesn't seem to be trolling individuals. His perspective is valid, if not game-winning in that he also wants to have fun and not discard certain mechanics just because "optimum".

He's not triggering anyone.

He's trolling right now

+1

@Auro, why are you hard defending him for this? He is advocating a blatantly anti-town plan.

[Dunnstral]

(Oh Auro was scummy and we were the others reacting to it because scum prob looks at varsoons post and doesn't try to look at it in depth like town due and just mark it off as towny ironically now that I say this it's more likely varsoon is town because scum spewed him town)

I actually weakly think UT is town.

why?

Because he agreed with 216 and auro worships that post

Pro tip this is why Auro is prob town because his play make sense with his emotions and overall tone of the thread. It's very hard to fake what Auro is doing as scum rn. His naive aura is the same thing Nancy does and make it easy too...well I won't say cause she gets triggered. Classic trick learned at the academy

If you look at my posting you'll see I had the same thoughts with scumreading UT and Auro and then retracting the scumread on Auro

Putting the naive aura thing into words makes me feel better there

You seem towny this game -

are you mafia?

I think you're town right now because I was having the same thoughts

[DVa]

It's just your style -- You do it because you like doing it, not for some scumhunting advantage.

This is actually where you're wrong