Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[the worst]

also analysing whether rel is aligned with volxen is a stronger read than whether volxen 'can be' scum in isolation :/

pedit: basically yeah, the only reason against lynching him atm is he isn't in anti spew mode which is probably slightly town indicative but...his actual content has still been super shallow and probably ate so it's basically geared towards spewing him not aligned with volxen

I'd say tmrw we should heaven {keyser, me} and the day after just keep nuking the PoE. I very much doubt I'm wrong on you keyser or eragon and will reevaluate Volxen but I trust either of myself or Keyser to read the associatives and thread context as long as Rel/Lab aren't factors. they're markedly harder to read.

[the worst]

I'll also, like. try to be present for Heaven 2.

[Irrelephant11]

the gamestate is indicative of town!me, and I don't see how Ausuka's play has been better than mine this gameday

[Irrelephant11]

or eragon's, really

[the worst]

how is the gamestate indicative of town!you?
players who are probably outside their scumrange don't magically fall back into it by being absent for a bit :/
I can be talked into a Labby flashwagon

[Irrelephant11]

whatever, I veto anyone putting eragon/ausuka into heaven
do what you will from there

pedit: who doesn't want me lynched? I'm consensus, just like creature was

[Irrelephant11]

just like creature was

well eragon "didn't want his lynch" but was willing to vote it

[the worst]

pedit: who doesn't want me lynched? I'm consensus, just like creature was

and?

[the worst]

Ausuka and eragon are objectively higher town equity than you here dude where am I wrong?

[the worst]

I love a good cw so work w me

[Irrelephant11]

players who are probably outside their scumrange don't magically fall back into it by being absent for a bit :/

I don't know who you're talking about here

I still kinda feel like labrat's ~emotions~ are towny but I readily admit she's been riding my blindspot most of the game... Do you think their emotional outburst recently comes from scum more often than town?

pedit: If so I've been too checked out to notice

Alright let me read a couple ISO's quick

[the worst]

to frame where my mind is at
if our solve is even close to correct it's objectively perfect scumplay to WIM as hard as you can and direct the lynch onto a townie preferably in the upper tier of the communal reads list which is why I'm pretty hard boycotting anyone but you or Labby being lynched today, and you'll need to convince me to vote Labby

Out of like respect for what I understand of your scumgame there's basically no way I can convince myself to read sheer d3 WIM as towniness

[the worst]

I didn't pedit because I think that gamestate read speaks for itself
Either were pants on head wrong and the team is like. volx/era or smth or whatever scum is in {Rel, Labby} is forced into a corner where WIM play is all you have left

[Irrelephant11]

tw I don't understand how you can think of the last game phase where literally everyone said "tw/labrat/elephant; solved", see a scum go to Heaven, and then just *agree labrat and I are the scumteam*
It actually doesn't make sense to me at all, which is why I've kinda been fine with my lynch, because it's what everyone is doing and one more surprise! flip will hopefully shoe people their pants are indeed on their heads

[the worst]

okay where am I wrong? like now?

[Irrelephant11]

shoe people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZvIMcwA6sE

[Irrelephant11]

speed-casing eragon in another tab rn

[the worst]

if you and Labby are both town then its era/???
who?

[Ausuka]

165 is heating Irre a little hard for earlygame tbh?

Also, quick readslist:
{DrJ}
{Volxen, Eragon}
{Irrel, Ausuka, TW}
{} - Null
{Lab(?), Soze(?)}
{Creature}
{}

This is kind of what I'd expect from a Drj/Volx/Irre team although Era and TW would also fit and so would I so probably not that conclusive. Does make Lab and Soeze look better though.

Here are my last words, lynch keyser or tw tomorrow, preferably the latter of the two, if scum send the other to heaven and lymch irrel and you'll have a good chance of winning. Good luck!

This wifom is grinding my head in.

Dr J obviously didn't want volxen in heaven; he wanted Keyser. This is confusing, but maybe also important? Jekyll obviously didn't really want to have town in heaven; if they did they would've resisted their lynch far more than they actually did. So either Dr J or Keyser must have been scum's target for heaven. However, Irrelephant wanted volxen to be elected.

So, listing the possibilities that I can see:
1) Scum wanted Dr. J in heaven, badly. I see Irre's Dr J vote as simply a protest vote - therefore I don't think this is exactly consistent with Irre's agenda for d2, unless he only began to care at the day-end and scum didn't care until then? Does that make sense?

2) Scum just didn't care. But in this case, why would they all be on the Jekyll wagon?

3) Scum preferred Jekyll but didn't care that much. But then like why would Irre keep suggesting alternatives?

4) Scum preferred Volxen. Jekyll wouldn't vote Volxen though.

So the only possibilities that exist wrt/ d2 on this team as far as I can see is that scum didn't care until the end, when they decided they wanted the Jekyll wagon (but why?) or they all just happened to decide Jekyll was best - which is possible, yeah, but I don't think likely exactly. Or Irre wanted Jekyll in heaven the whole time but decided to distance himself until he had to vote. Idk.

[Ausuka]

I've kinda been fine with my lynch

I wouldn't bite on a labby wagon personally.

[the worst]

I was so yelling about volxen being a better heaven candidate, I was just asleep for a lot of d2

[the worst]

We have two scum left, who do people think are actually aligned?

[Irrelephant11]

So first thought is eragon's ISO is nearly as padded with fluff as it was in WW, and I feel like that's really obvious. Second thought is, where does his scumread on me come from?

Starting at the end of D2 for speed:
1410 - "I wish Irrelphant had double the posts for us to chew on." - Keyser
"hard agree with irrel"

1494 - "do you not think irrel is scum?"

1533 wherein he says "undereager to solve? No, I read Creature right! and also, I have more activity than you" (the second of which is objectively true but certainly not indicative of my alignment, given I was v/la until right before that post)

1550
-"on top of not liking their posts this game" (no clue what this is a reference to, except 1533)
-"they do not have the same form of transparant towni-ness that they were fond of in WW.
Like, did anyone ever even scumread them in WW?
they were extremly obvious through thoughts, reads, wagons, etc... and even from a scum perspective i knew that was always going to be town" (lol this is "I knew he was town as scum last game, and I don't think he's town this game!" which is honestly just silly, but more importantly, what is really being said here? This whole thing amounts to "I scumread him because I scumread him". Also yes, I played better in WW than here, which I readily admit, but I'm usually scumread more as town than as scum. Most of the time I'm lynchbait as town, actually, which Shoshin will vouch for)

1632 he just kind of says "no" to all of my points responding to 1550

eh we cant really take the risk of having someone flip town today.

VOTE: Irrelephant


i think we need to solve TW/kesyer, but voting them today
if we lynch the scum, then its GG for us
if we lynch the town, then is basically GG for scum.

tl;dr its a lot riskier

no real reason here

1689 - "hot take: 3 of the doc J voters were scum", meh this is a reason I guess

I admit there's more here than I remembered, but it mostly amounts to "this is not as strong of play as in WW, and you're not really around"
I also still think eragon offering to vote creature D1 while later insisting his correct townread on creature is a read to townread him is scummy, as was the way he pushed Dr J's Heaven lynch lightly throughout without ever committing to getting on wagon

[Keyser Söze]

We have two scum left, who do people think are actually aligned?

Scum have day chat so we can’t undervalue the amount of distancing they’ve actively performed.

[Keyser Söze]

I actually like LabRat after last night.
I hope that wasn’t scum-LabRat, otherwise that was unsportsmanship emotional manipulation.