Excalibur [Endgame]

[SirCakez]

this is gonna be one of those games i see

[SirCakez]

by one of those games I mean a heavy posting one
I haven't read anything yet, i'm just judging from the seven pages

[SirCakez]

prelude to this is I'm not really gonna engage the mechanics discussion this game b/c I suck at it and others can handle it I'm sure

A sidenote to this: I'm personally viewing the day 1 duel as basically a popularity contest. So choose wisely if you duel someone.

pls elaborate
day 1 content is plenty valid to make it more then a popularity contest

Re: LL and Jay, I think it's better overall to discuss mechanics and find out a good strategy at this stage, instead of starting with the accusations already. *Shrug*

why tho
scum will be scum regardless of if we are discussing mechanics or not

on the quick duels note - anybody who duels early should just be PLed unless there is REALLY good reason to lynch the other imo

Why are you people so convinced you can convince two scum to gladiate each other?

It will never happen. Assume you will always have one town in a Gladiate and move from there.

super wrong for obvious reasons, at least in the early game
didn't realize white flag was in effect nice

pages 3-4 are already making me glaze over not gonna lie
not really getting much readswise all this setup analysis is pretty NAI for now
onto 5-7
holy mother of p-edits

[SirCakez]

i'm slowly dying, around pg 6

[SirCakez]

I'm through pg 6 and auro has the most posts in the game by far but zero scumhunting, I don't count random questions. c'mon bro where's it at
certain other players (COUGH nancy COUGH) are guilty here too but not as badly
i don't think this is necessarily scummy but it's also not really helpful and honestly I think this massive setup discussion is gonna severely murder the motivation of the other 2/3 of the game playerlist because it's a ton of reading that is really hard to read unless you can really follow (and I couldn't, maybe I'm just an idiot tho)

that was up there for the most useless 7 pages I've ever read, at least to me. setup fiends will love it. i'm sure FG is loving it lol
i don't think i've ever read the words arthur, merlin or gladiate more before

this is gonna be one of those games i see

Every game starts with a big post count if it's a large. That's why we got 17 players.

definitely not true lol

why tho
scum will be scum regardless of if we are discussing mechanics or not

Reaching consensus on a plan is important.
Scum will be scum, but there's a possibility of useless fights cluttering and dominating the game, with little cohesion.
I had a feeling that town might fall to that, so I was stressing that there should be some direction town agrees on as soon as possible..

useless fights are gonna be more useful in the scumhunting game though

[SirCakez]

like 5 players haven't even posted yet and 3 others have single digit post counts
it's just really unnecessarily messy, if you will

[SirCakez]

like 5 players haven't even posted yet and 3 others have single digit post counts
it's just really unnecessarily messy, if you will

icky, game just started

and yet we are on page 8
that's my point

[SirCakez]

I'm through pg 6 and auro has the most posts in the game by far but zero scumhunting, I don't count random questions. c'mon bro where's it at
certain other players (COUGH nancy COUGH) are guilty here too but not as badly
i don't think this is necessarily scummy but it's also not really helpful and honestly I think this massive setup discussion is gonna severely murder the motivation of the other 2/3 of the game playerlist because it's a ton of reading that is really hard to read unless you can really follow (and I couldn't, maybe I'm just an idiot tho)

that was up there for the most useless 7 pages I've ever read, at least to me. setup fiends will love it. i'm sure FG is loving it lol
i don't think i've ever read the words arthur, merlin or gladiate more before

What do you count as scumhunting then? I did make a cursory townread on Nancy, is that too 'random' for you too? I prefer to 'scumhunt' through engagement and questions, not outright-accusations.

I'll shut up with my attempts to figure a good strategy if town would rather just ignore it or not read it. If what you're saying is true, sure.
You see absolutely 0 utility in mechanics discussion? What if I tell you that through the process, we could come up with a consensus strategy reliant on town cohesion, and follow through to maximize town chances?

i'd consider scumhunting to be declaring reads, pushing people, analysis of player posts, etc
I don't mind the setup talk and ofc I agree we need a good strategy, but I feel it's going in circles (i was skimming at certain points so this could be wrong) and rather spammy.

useless fights are gonna be more useful in the scumhunting game though

I'm blown away that you think useless fights won't kill player interest but 7 pages of opening discussion will

Gladiations immediately limit town scumhunting potential and lock the dayphase into two people. That will nuke *my* interest in the game if people start doing it, which is precisely why I want town to be aware that yolo-dueling will result in the yoloing player getting lynched every time. There is nothing more boring to me than seeing two townreads gladiate each other because one had a momentary fleeting thought that the other was scum.

Town doing shitty gladiates on other town is pretty much the foundation of the scum wincon here because the gladiation mechanic will mean that until the lynch goes through they don't have to commit to any other read on any other player and can coast--and town will want to coast too. Basically gladiations force the town to come to standstill until someone dies.

????
where did I say I wanted gladiations? I said the opposite matter of fact.
my interpretation of "useless fights" was players juking it out verbally with each other

[SirCakez]

like d.va I said earlier that someone who rando-gladiates early should be PLed
that's def not what I want

[SirCakez]

i'd consider scumhunting to be declaring reads, pushing people, analysis of player posts, etc
I don't mind the setup talk and ofc I agree we need a good strategy, but I feel it's going in circles (i was skimming at certain points so this could be wrong) and rather spammy.

I declared a townread on Nancy and DVa.
I'm "pushing" people to answer me through asking them questions.
There aren't enough posts to make a strong AI analysis on, anyway.
Scumlean on you for your weak shade of me not 'scumhunting', which is untrue even by your definitions.

It's not going in circles, I think it's useful, that it's spam is your opinion - which is prolly biased since you don't like mechanic discussions anyway.

i'll take that kind of posting 1000x over your others
i am biased here, true true

[SirCakez]

like d.va I said earlier that someone who rando-gladiates early should be PLed
that's def not what I want

Disagree that it should be a direct

Policy Lynch

, this almost feels like pre-emptive opportunism.

i don't see what you're implying w/the italicized policy lynch
why would you want to keep someone playing anti-town by rando-dueling alive?
P-edit: i love you varsoon

[SirCakez]

hey look I was right about other players being annoyed by the setup talk

[SirCakez]

i don't see what you're implying w/the italicized policy lynch
why would you want to keep someone playing anti-town by rando-dueling alive?

In this playerlist, does anti-town imply scum?
It'll be shitty anyway, but I'm not sure if that a person gladiates is enough to be lynched as more probable scum as the challenged.

Nope but if they are being actively malicious (i;e wasting a day by dueling w/o consensus) then they may as well be
I suppose it depends on the scenario
right now I don't think anyone is probable enough scum to where I would lynch them over a YOLO-dueler

[SirCakez]

I "jumped" at him b/c he tried to get the game moving on lol

[SirCakez]

varsoon is wading into the setup talk despite trying to end it what a guy
i think there are definitely players in this game who would YOLO as scum

[SirCakez]

it's a gif of zoidberg saying "bless this post"
p-edit: how am i anti-engagement?

[SirCakez]

now this is my kind of useless fight

[SirCakez]

nancy who is scum?

[SirCakez]

nancy who is scum?

[SirCakez]

@nancy because I'm trying to ferret out scumreads from people as an alternative to the ongoing "plan" battle and you're one of those people arguing

[SirCakez]

@nancy because I'm trying to ferret out scumreads from people as an alternative to the ongoing "plan" battle and you're one of those people arguing

Pls

[SirCakez]

I don't think Nancy meant the HURT vote tag

[SirCakez]

Ah I see

[SirCakez]

I don't think either of you have experience with LLD, her early unexplained reads are pretty typical
That said I totally misread her last game we played together so take caution

[SirCakez]

Also on the LLD note I think auro is expecting everyone in this game to play logically and that definitely won't happen knowing some of these players...

[SirCakez]

Dunn what are you saying in 321

[SirCakez]

Lol on that note Dunn if fire, lld or ut is Merlin then literally the entire last 15 pages were for nothing

[SirCakez]

Also on the LLD note I think auro is expecting everyone in this game to play logically and that definitely won't happen knowing some of these players...

I’m assuming you mean LLD, won’t play logically. Anyone else? It’s good we don’t have Nico in this playerlist.

Ye and the other two players I mentioned in response to Dunn
And I don't know some of the others who haven't posted yet and FA hasn't played in a while so who knows!
P-edit: varsoon is always salty don't take it personally

[SirCakez]

I meant in general not specifically to you Nancy
@auro I just get the vibes you are expecting a lot of cooperation here when we could easily see a yolo gladiate from some of these players within an IRL day.

[SirCakez]

just look at boundaries of reality

[SirCakez]

Can't wait to hear Maria thoughts

[SirCakez]

I will catch up tomorrow morning.
10 pages to go through already -_-

[SirCakez]

im starting
see you in 15 pages (or less if I break up the posts)

[SirCakez]

actually closer to 20 wheee

[SirCakez]

random notes:

-I'm immediately mind-melding Maria and that has meant we are the same alignment before so TR there
-On ariane's nancy scumread: that kind of "agreeableness" was part of why I was trying to get some real content out of her. I'll see about her when I'm caught up. Also TR on Ariane for trying to move the game on. Scum would want the game to stay in the mechanics nether.
-Varsoon's extreme saltiness this game is irking me. I know some salt is par for the course for him but this game it almost seems like he's using it as a shield to make people not want to engage him. The post where he went off on S_S particularly. Like that was a massive overreaction. Scumleaning for now, scratch my TR for the "shut up about mechanics" post.
-UT will probably have to be lynched or vigged before endgame.
-Elsa Jay is making posts but not really saying anything in any of them which is scummy.
-LLD's rageposting makes me want to scumlean after Witches Ball.
-lol at Auro thinking he caught Fire scumslipping. I wish it was that easy. No that's just Fire being Fire. I don't think that's scummy @Dunn, it's just Auro not knowing Fire. Same with Auro thinking UT's willingness to YOLO gladiate is town. I actually think Auro's mis-reading of those two things is more likely town.
-I'm fully confessing to not reading 532 good god
-I want some non-mechanics content from Veridian

stuff I want responses to:

Also @Cakez: I take back what I said about the PLs, I'm also down to policy vote someone who gladiates out of protocol.

what caused this change of heart?

I'm only on pg 23 but dropping this now so it doesn't become enormous. atm players I would get rid of:
HURT: Varsoon
HURT: LLD
HURT: UT
HURT: Elsa

[SirCakez]

ty auro makes sense
@varsoon just because you can't do it anymore doesn't affect that you did it in the past.

still catching up but thought I'd check back in current time frame.

[SirCakez]

my natural dislike of over-toxicity isn't helping I'll admit

[SirCakez]

random notes continued:

-This is mostly gut but I want to call this Dunn's town game.
-the trio of varsoon, LLD and UT going for the sword sounds good to me, I'm decently confident there's at least one or two scum in there
-I've noticed nancy has disappeared from the thread. could be she just went to bed but also i'm susp that she never put any scumhunting content out.
-d.va 595 is the post I would've made right around then if I was around. which I like.
-I'd really like some scumreads from Elsa too.
-I can't believe PLing an IC actually has to come up as a topic of discussion
-S_S 638 was town as shit
-I also agree with dva 640 and 648 - it's a super stupid topic
-663 was the kind of post I wanted from Veridian, excellent. It's not an especially good post (a lot of thread summary) but it'll surely be useful later once we have some flips.

I'm caught up to where I posted last night so ~6 more pages. I'd throw nancy and Kokichi in the hurt pile too but less strong on Kokichi. Plenty of good vig targets
HURT: nancy
HURT: kokichi

[SirCakez]

-holy shit I forgot FA is in this game. wonder where her head is at. i want to call her lack of presence suspicious given my vague recollections of her meta but it's been ages since she's played with me so not great evidence.
-I think the meta case on D.va is pretty weak. One or two games does not make a good sample. cases that revolve around "oh you were funny earlier that game but not this one" always fall flat to me. like auro's analysis of "chumminess" based on like two games feels pretty flawed. that said I think auro's push is genuine so pretty sure dva v auro is TvT.

*claps hands* Just because vig shoots town doesn't mean it was a bad shot *claps hands*

^ this man speaks the truth

I think a good day one duel would be Veridian v. Elsa, or Cakez v. UT or Auro v. Any of those names.

Make people take a stand.

talk more about these people

-S_S can you talk about people besides varsoon?
-I take back my S_S TR. they aren't doing very much to progress the game. while I'm still unsure about varsoon he's right that S_S has been virtue signalling.
-i appreciate auro spoilering the setup talk btw

HEAL: all
HURT: UT
HURT: elsa
HURT: nancy
HURT: lld

^ I think this is where I'm at now. some people i have vague scumleans on for small things like lack of content (FA, kokichi) but not enough to hurt tag. and i'm waffling on varsoon now. I have a decent pool of people who I think could flip scum though so I'll take what I've got.

[SirCakez]

it's because of all the threats of PL and the fact this game has a certain level of control to it I think
unlike boundaries, DEFCON and similar games where players have lots of power

[SirCakez]

-I think the meta case on D.va is pretty weak. One or two games does not make a good sample. cases that revolve around "oh you were funny earlier that game but not this one" always fall flat to me. like auro's analysis of "chumminess" based on like two games feels pretty flawed.

It's not based on just one or two games. It matches with pretty much every game DVa has played. Around 5 games at least, just observable evidence - check her profile.

She's an alt, and she would admit that she finds it significantly harder to be "chummy" as scum.

Do these reasons make it stronger to you, Cakez?

Even w/more game evidence I still don't consider someone being more funny in one game then another to be great evidence because that can change entirely dependent on the game playerlist, how fast it gets serious, and the rolelist. also in personal experience I have never actively considered being more serious as scum to appear more town or whatever.

I mean 5 games where if she's town, she's a bit chummier, and as scum, pretty serious.

You said my push on her felt genuine to you. Is this something you can explain a bit more in specifics? What would change in my push for it to look fake, for example?

it's kind of gut and tone, and your posts on this page are reinforcing it w/how engaged you are. like I don't feel you would pick this duel at all if you were scum. that said I don't know you very well.

Why? Have you read any of my scumgames on this site? I’m guessing no.

no and I don't need to, this game is this game. you still haven't given any scumreads that I can see.

[SirCakez]

i haven't read the last two pages yet, only the two posts above but wtf auro
this should be good

[SirCakez]

Even w/more game evidence I still don't consider someone being more funny in one game then another to be great evidence because that can change entirely dependent on the game playerlist, how fast it gets serious, and the rolelist. also in personal experience I have never actively considered being more serious as scum to appear more town or whatever.

I agree, and wouldn't have bothered much. Except for her own admission that she finds it a lot harder as scum to be non-serious.

I mean, *objectively* that slightly increases the scum likelihood for her. Other play-based reasons can supercede this, surely.

after catching up i'm honestly completely baffled on this quote thing
is this referring to an ongoing game???

something_smart thank you for deposting some reads but those were pretty waffly. Can you go in and hurt tag some people?

[SirCakez]

hasn't d.va pretty clearly denied that at this point?

[SirCakez]

because why spend two pages arguing that they didn't say it if it's true anyways?

[SirCakez]

Auro I think you're being reallllllly silly about this whole situation
p-edit: what's your plan for scumhunting this game then S_S?

[SirCakez]

because why spend two pages arguing that they didn't say it if it's true anyways?

She would know that she did say it somewhere: If she's able to act like it isn't true, it means that she either said it in a private medium which I can't quote, like chat, or an ongoing game - which I would not be able to refer to anyway.

Which part of this is silly?

I think it's just really semantics heavy and I think what d.va was trying to communicate on the subject (i;e they wouldn't say that and they deny it) was pretty obvious, as judging from 981.

Cakez, hopefully I will be able to interact with people in real-time more. The game started at a bad time for me.

Although I don't really consider it necessary to have a plan like that. If I don't end up seeing anything on someone that I think I can get a reliable read on, then I'm right to just not attempt to read them and instead sort them through other means (interactions, mechanics, sheeping).

I mean most of your ISO is just mechanics which is why I was trying to see if you would/could step it up for the crowd. altho this is a good levelheaded response.

[SirCakez]

@Sircakez: I'm dropping all content wrt the meta push I've had with DVa, and I don't want to talk about that further.

I mean ok but you should understand why this sudden dropping of it doesn't look great.

We have 5 days. If Elsa decides to duel anyone prematurely, denying us time, please murder them.

^ scum post

I am suggesting that you might possibly be able meta confitown me by reading them. No, I haven’t yet. I
generally don’t have strong scumreads this early in the game and that is true for 98% of my towngames.

I rarely have strong scumreads on D1, I am truly envious of those that do and I’m trying to figure out why that is.

I dislike meta in most cases. It's not even your lack of strong scumreads it's your lack of any scumreads at all that I can see. you don't even have a single scumlean on anyone? it's making you hard to read. S_S as well for the same reason.

I think the UT hurt case just boils down to not contributing much and him being a loose cannon later on. not really a great lynch, won't tell us much since scum would and could easily bus him. only good thing about it is he will probably be lynched or vigged before endgame anyway.

[SirCakez]

also watch the thread completely die now that Auro is taking the day off lol

[SirCakez]

i've played with you a lot lol

[SirCakez]

wheels on the bus go round and round

[SirCakez]

b/c it's just a useless declaration of desire to PL

[SirCakez]

and it doesn't make any sense judging from your ISO
you have a scumread on Elsa so why should your desire to murder them be dependent on if they gladiate or not?

[SirCakez]

I think Elsa's recent posts are a lot townier and I am down to have them glad LLD and then lynch lld
More tomorrow morning when I'm not on phone

[SirCakez]

LOL at lld omgusing me

[SirCakez]

VOTE: lld
No town player would have gladiated Maria of all people there despite spending pages going on about scum Elsa before

[SirCakez]

LOL at lld omgusing me

this is a huge misrepresentation given I called you scum first and independently many pages ago before you started pushing on me.

But ok.

Also this is BS I just isoed and you never called me scum

[SirCakez]

VOTE: lld
No town player would have gladiated Maria of all people there despite spending pages going on about scum Elsa before

How is this real? How is this something that makes sense?

I no longer scum read Elsa. My read progression changed, the fact you're trying to paint it otherwise is just..... so bad.

I don't buy a read changing that fast, your conviction evaporated way too easily.

LOL at lld omgusing me

this is a huge misrepresentation given I called you scum first and independently many pages ago before you started pushing on me.

But ok.

Also this is BS I just isoed and you never called me scum

I think a good day one duel would be Veridian v. Elsa, or Cakez v. UT or Auro v. Any of those names.

Make people take a stand.

ding ding ding look harder

How is this supposed to be a declared scumread?

I'm gonna just let her flail

[SirCakez]

I can't believe people are buying LLD's desperation gladiate and are actually considering voting Maria.
@auro
@fire
Why?
Also @elsa wtf are you in about?

[SirCakez]

Also @gamma
Do you actually SR Maria or is it just a fuck you to Dunn?

[SirCakez]

I disagree, I think LLD was guaranteed to lose pretty much any matchup. This Maria move reads like a desperate gambit to induce this kind of WIFOM (I;e why would she do that as scum???) And her read progression on Elsa makes little sense.

I think LLD's ate and random massive burst of activity when Elsa was going to glad her seem pretty transparently scum

[SirCakez]

Also @gamma
Do you actually SR Maria or is it just a fuck you to Dunn?

It’s closer to a fuck you vote but I do feel like his lead-in to the LLD vote was shady

But what about Maria??

[SirCakez]

i honestly don't mind who goes for the sword tbh
in my mind either we get the IC or scum dies
altho mechanics aren't my fight here

[SirCakez]

Disappointed by lynch flip but tbh it was necessary, LLD was playing extremely erratically and would have had to go at some point.
No idea why S_S died, he was eating a lot of scumreads.

Auro is arthur

[SirCakez]

can i be tracer?

[SirCakez]

I don't think scum Varsoon kills S_S out of defensiveness here. Doesn't seem like his type of move.

Maria what's your read on Dunn?

Also Elsa definitely looks worse with the LLD flip. The gladiate timing is more suspicious, makes a lot of sense as scum (cuts day short and secures an easy mislynch when it could have gone elsewhere, plus nobody really objects to that gladiation).
As well I think there is probably scum in the mob of low content slots (Ariane slot, FA slot, Kokichi, Veridian).

So who's scum then, Nancy?

My guess would be someone who was pushing Varsoon, unless there’s some other reason scum kills SS that I don’t understand.

can we get some names? this is a vague af response

[SirCakez]

I don't think scum Varsoon kills S_S out of defensiveness here. Doesn't seem like his type of move.

Maria what's your read on Dunn?

Also Elsa definitely looks worse with the LLD flip. The gladiate timing is more suspicious, makes a lot of sense as scum (cuts day short and secures an easy mislynch when it could have gone elsewhere, plus nobody really objects to that gladiation).
As well I think there is probably scum in the mob of low content slots (Ariane slot, FA slot, Kokichi, Veridian).

So who's scum then, Nancy?

My guess would be someone who was pushing Varsoon, unless there’s some other reason scum kills SS that I don’t understand.

can we get some names? this is a vague af response

Yes Cakes, it is “vague af”. If I actually had an answer, I’d obviously tell you.

Any rate, my strong townread on Elsa has lessened, because I’m not sure I buy that Auro was in serious jeopardy of being gladiated.

I was initially suspicious of Ariane and if PP doesn’t pick it up today, that will increase my suspicion on that slot. I also am curious what FA replacement will do.

FoS
when are you gonna declare some actual scumreads?

[SirCakez]

When you actually read my posts.

Nice deflection

[SirCakez]

When you actually read my posts.

Nice deflection

No, it’s true. You aren’t accurately reading them. I already told you that I’m not doing anything different here, than like 98% of my games and I also told you, you can verify that. Yet, it seems to have gone completely over your head. God only knows why.

ok I also said I don't rely on meta very much
I went and ISOed two old town games of yours anyway since you keep bringing it up and in both (Forgotten Hourglass and BoR) you were more aggressive declaring scumreads then here.

[SirCakez]

When you actually read my posts.

Nice deflection

No, it’s true. You aren’t accurately reading them. I already told you that I’m not doing anything different here, than like 98% of my games and I also told you, you can verify that. Yet, it seems to have gone completely over your head. God only knows why.

ok I also said I don't rely on meta very much
I went and ISOed two old town games of yours anyway since you keep bringing it up and in both (Forgotten Hourglass and BoR) you were more aggressive declaring scumreads then here.

Town reads and suspicions but hard scumreads in early game? Yeah, well it’s a lot easier to do that in those types of setups. My head really isn’t in this game and Penguinpower took away my last pleasure in it. :/

I have on both days mentioned players I have Fos on, I just didn’t label them scumreads, so I don’t know why that is that much of a big deal to you.

because I feel like you are kinda holding back on any serious pushes to stay out of conflict

Going back to reading what I missed from D1 because I’m kinda out of it rn

now this is my kind of useless fight

Ew? Why post this

was a joke mostly
the fight that was happening at that point was good for game progress tho

This game died FAST. Tbh we could use just a lynch on one of the lurky slots for information and b/c one of those is probably scum anyways. And then there's a chance for Excalibur to get used.

[SirCakez]

a flip is a flip and we aren't losing anything activity wise

[SirCakez]

If a lurker lynch is what you want, and your positive town won't lynch you instead, just challenge a lurker then.

Why not have two scummy people challenge each other instead

Well, I can keep telling I’m not and it’s up to you, whether or not you believe me. *shrug*

At this point, I’m hardly invested in this game any way.

"I'm not invested in the game" and "you should just believe me" are pretty bad excuses and this should be obvious to you yea?

we'll see on Koki-lin

[SirCakez]

damn you guys posted a lot
i will catch up either later tonight or tomorrow morning

[SirCakez]

just reading 72 where I last posted and this page makes me want to vote maria tho

[SirCakez]

why not? why does elsa CC here as scum?

[SirCakez]

I do want to say now I am wary of Fire after he bamboozled me in The Fifth Fortnight and Witches Ball.
all the claimers making me want death. I'm worried about the nightmare scenario where both maria and elsa are town and elsa is just being an idiot. I used to think stuff like that could never happen but worse things have happened to me since. I don't think Elsa is scum here.
I really fucking hate games like this that turn into fakeclaim fuckfests UGH. I really don't believe anybody.

TBH now I think flipping either Maria or Fire would be hella useful. I'd vote both if I could. But now I'm second-guessing myself aaaaa. but fire is also good enough to use this AtE here as scum.
why couldn't we lynch a lurker instead poo

Honestly I feel really out of this game right now. i haven't been this disengaged in ages.
I still dislike nancy but that's obviously a fight for another day.

[SirCakez]

What do you think are the chances of MariaR being scum?

IDK I think people saying that Maria wouldn't use blacklist AtE as scum makes sense and also all this Merlin fuckery has me confused, and there's a good chance Elsa is just playing badly.

I do want to say now I am wary of Fire after he bamboozled me in The Fifth Fortnight and Witches Ball.
all the claimers making me want death. I'm worried about the nightmare scenario where both maria and elsa are town and elsa is just being an idiot. I used to think stuff like that could never happen but worse things have happened to me since. I don't think Elsa is scum here.
I really fucking hate games like this that turn into fakeclaim fuckfests UGH. I really don't believe anybody.

TBH now I think flipping either Maria or Fire would be hella useful. I'd vote both if I could. But now I'm second-guessing myself aaaaa. but fire is also good enough to use this AtE here as scum.
why couldn't we lynch a lurker instead poo

Honestly I feel really out of this game right now. i haven't been this disengaged in ages.
I still dislike nancy but that's obviously a fight for another day.

I’m fine with you not liking me. Both Maria and Fire are town, so if you don’t want scum to win, be a good townie and vote no lynch.

agreed for once

Auro
Dunnstral, MariaR, UT
DVa, Firebringer, Nancy
VeridianCleric
--
Elsa Jay
Not Known 15
Varsoon, SirCakez, Gamma Emerald
Kokichi Oma, PP

7 below the --, 4 of which are scum, and Elsa, SirCakez look towny to me.

Can you explain what's going on in this readslist?

SirCakez, do you not buy Dunn's claim?

Oh NVM. Claimed Merlin cos he was gonna be the lunch candidate.

I hardclaim Merlin. Anyone who doesnt retract after this post. needs to be shot @person with the sword.

Arthur has the sword btw.

Yeah ok, I retract

I'm ready to no lynch this one
I also agree with the suspicions of Not Known 15 FYI. I find that scum replacements tend to read scum chat before big game threads because scum chat is usually much shorter.

[SirCakez]

You guys posted a lot again ugh
I've been at work all day but we still have over a day left so I will catch in the morning
Sorry just too whupped to concentrate on this

[SirCakez]

i'm here
I see it's either Fire or no lynch

[SirCakez]

I want to lynch Kokichi tomorrow, that Merlin fakeclaim was scummy af and his constant vomiting all over the thread is scummy too. He's playing like outed scum.
The slots that have been MIA all game are highly suspect to me as well, specifically the FA, Veridian and Ariane slots. None of the replacements have redeemed them. And I totally forgot UT was even in this game christ.

I'm talking about other people then the gladiates because I feel like the majority of the active people right now are town bickering. Feels like town cannibalizing. Which sucks.

And IIRC, amidst all the fakeclaims, *no one* said Jay had the sword -- this means Jay's claim is pretty probably fake, which means he's scum.

You're ignoring the decent chance that Elsa is just badtowning. Either way they prob need death before endgame unless they are legit about having the sword which is just ???? to me right now

VOTE: NoLynch

Look at this scum pop in without any content LOL


My gut is screaming Fire town but he will also just do the same thing tomorrow so it will probably have to be a PL :/. Fire is just a loose cannon.
I would no lynch if Fire would not gladiate Maria again tomorrow so we can instead lynch obvscum Kokichi or NK15
this game is extremely frustrating

[SirCakez]

there are scummy people on both the fire and no lynch wagons
fire flip would be really useful but I also get the vibes it's what scum wants
somebody help me decide who is not kokichi b/c he is scum

[SirCakez]

You're ignoring the decent chance that Elsa is just badtowning. Either way they prob need death before endgame unless they are legit about having the sword which is just ???? to me right now

Haha, I'm not ignoring it -- there's a possibility, but it's more fruitful for him as scum anyway. I wanted to see if he'd retract his claim, but he seems to have kept it.

i'm p a r a n o i d

there are scummy people on both the fire and no lynch wagons
fire flip would be really useful but I also get the vibes it's what scum wants
somebody help me decide who is not kokichi b/c he is scum

Yeah I don't like the compositions on either wagon.
We should evaluate whether the Fire lunch actually benefits scum -- keeping him can actually be bad for town since he's not playing the game, and might lolgladiate again tomorrow, right?

that's what I'm thinking on fire

[SirCakez]

and fire COULD be scum tbh - I'm just not very confident on it

[SirCakez]

VOTE: fire
Okey

[SirCakez]

Someone ELI5

[SirCakez]

Couldn't it also just be that Elsa did have the sword and tried to vig and died? Or am I misunderstanding setup?

[SirCakez]

I'm ready to dump either NK or Penguin

[SirCakez]

also on NK 15 - FA did literally nothing in the slot

[SirCakez]

I repeat: I haven't done anything. That's a pretty weak reason for a "strong scum read."

So, basically, your entire read on my slot is activity based.

I don't think that's that weak of a reason
I'm fairly certain myself that at least two scum are in the lurkers
it feels like the whole time has been TvT with the flips and kills we've gotten

[SirCakez]

Penguin still scummy af
God I wish I had a dayvig rn

[SirCakez]

Penguin still scummy af

still?

Yes still. Not sure what confused you here.

Challenge:Sir Cakez

They are the most likely to be scum in my opinion. They talk alot of setup on purpose early(despite knowing it would alienate people), opportunistically jump on Nancy Drew while refusing to read meta, and the going for LLD also opportunistically with an easy reasoning :

VOTE: lld
No town player would have gladiated Maria of all people there despite spending pages going on about scum Elsa before

... while we know that this "no town player" is obviously false...

Lmao this isn't even an accurate representation of what I did day 1.

VOTE: NK15
Die potato

[SirCakez]

Yes still. Not sure what confused you here.

I didn't see a previous mention about me being scummy af.

Not sure what confused you here.

VOTE: NK15

I didn't say it outwardly but when I was talking about your slot earlier it's what I was thinking.

Also I'd be lying if I said I wasn't slightly worried that NK15 is a VI

[SirCakez]

Highly doubtful but let's see

[SirCakez]

this was a hard game, even if Penguin had been killed I doubt town would have won because Dunn and Varsoon were doing well.