A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[THE MEME MEN]

Compiled vc for people being voted.

Votecount 5.01

jingle (1) : nero
nico (5) : jjh, lady, nsg, creat, fb,

Not Voting: Sora, Northsidegal, Aristophanes, Nicorobin, Lady Angel, Whemestar, Adelbert Steiner, Invisibility???, jjh927, Gamma Emerald, Jingle, Porkens, Nero Cain, Firebringer, Shiro, Creature, Vecna, Shoshin

- not updated

With 17 alive it's 10 to lynch. (no mod error in this #)

The day will end in (expired on 2018-11-24 19:00:00) - when will day end?

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jjh & nico have been at each other's throats on d4. Today d5, jjh is voting nico. That was part of the reasoning we included nico & nsg to be checked. If it's suboptimal since we didn't parity investigate a confirmed town vs an unknown, well, we didn't think of that. We thought what would make sense most , at the time of n4 so we did what we thought best.

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The way Nico's role works, her target has 48 hours after daystart to choose whether to send her role or make her a triplevoter.

She then gets the results from RC (presumably). Her not having results for today yet is consistent.

Having a triplevoter AND a doublevoter parity cop town, makes little to no sense.

[NicoRobin]

My claim is still what it was before, Conditional Tracker Conditional Triplevoter. All of my tracks got the result of 'visited no-one'.

So why aren't you saying who visited no one?

Poreksn, mastina and jjh are who I checked so far.

[Jingle]

Votecount 5.241.1:

Gamma Emerald (0):
Porkens (0):

Fire

Aristophanes (0):

NSG

Lady Angel: (0):
Whemestar (0):
Jingle (0):

Creature

, Nero
Firebringer (0):
Creature (0):
Nero Cain (0):
The Meme Men (0): Porkens
jjh927 (0):
Vecna (0):
Adelbert Steiner (0):
Northsidegal (0):

Creature

Invisibility??? (0):
Nicorobin (0): JJH, Lady Angel, NSG, Creature, Fire,

Porkens

Shoshin (0):

Not Voting: Sora, Aristophanes, Nicorobin, Whemestar, Adelbert Steiner, Invisibility???, Gamma Emerald, Jingle, Shiro, Vecna, Shoshin

Slightly more complete votecount. Porkens attempted to unvote you but tag failed, so his vote should still be there. Also included the votes that were made and changed already for reference.

The vote threshhold, assuming it is calculated the way I think it is (1 additional player because of public doublevoter) will drop if Vizzy is modkilled, so L-1 is functionally a hammer here.

[Jingle]

Poreksn, mastina and jjh are who I checked so far.

Oh yeah, forgot this in the roles thing. IF NR is town, we also have a redirector/busdriver type role that moved her from jjh to me on N3.

[THE MEME MEN]

Oh yeah, forgot this in the roles thing. IF NR is town, we also have a redirector/busdriver type role that moved her from jjh to me on N3.

how do you know this

-LH

[Jingle]

jjh & nico have been at each other's throats on d4. Today d5, jjh is voting nico. That was part of the reasoning we included nico & nsg to be checked. If it's suboptimal since we didn't parity investigate a confirmed town vs an unknown, well, we didn't think of that. We thought what would make sense most , at the time of n4 so we did what we thought best.

Nah, parity cop should always check two slots in the PoE pool unless it's the day before LYLO. Your choice was fine. Personally, I would have gone for more lurker-y people than NSG and NR (Wheme and GE/Ari, probably) but not targeting conftown wasn't a mistake.

[THE MEME MEN]

ok. But why did you no lynch.

-LH

[Jingle]

Because at the beginning of D4 I got a PM from Raybells saying that NR was demanding my role.

Being as I am a fruit vendor, I gave 0 shits about her knowing that and let her have the knowledge. She claims that she got me going nowhere, which is consistent with the fact that I was roleblocked.

I let her pressure jj for a while because I thought it was a reaction test, but claimed receiving the PM as soon as I decided it was likely a real misunderstanding.

[Vecna]

My claim is still what it was before, Conditional Tracker Conditional Triplevoter. All of my tracks got the result of 'visited no-one'.

So why aren't you saying who visited no one?

Poreksn, mastina and jjh are who I checked so far.

And N4?

[Jingle]

Because, mechanically, it was the right play. Still is in hindsight. And I am uncompromising about espousing optimal mechanical play, because allowing people to make bad decisions mechanically encourages sloppy behaviors that more often than not make games unwinnable for town.

[Jingle]

For the record, the optimal play was: Gladiate Anyone. Gladiate specifically Shoshin. Gladiate Y players, where Y is the number of additional players afforded by scumlynches and successful protections. Gladiate Meme Men, at exactly the point when number of players alive satisfied the mathematical equation I just linked.

[Jingle]

Those targets only make sense really if (censored) is the babysitter and just wanted those people to die in the offchance he was killed that night. Taking that risk to reveal yourself on people you want to die is really stupid though.

Just ask yourself; was scum EVER going to kill Jingle or NR with townclears aplenty? Ofcourse not

This, btw, was exactly why I was trying not to out that the doc was a babysitter. I even made it clear that I thought I was a bad doc target.

Babysitter chooses to act as a vig or a doctor, but the role is kinda shitty at being either. In this case, they're clearly trying to be a vig. Scum babysitter doesn't make a ton of sense rn, what with all of the missing kills and the complete lack of evidence for the existence of a vig. There being a loud doc is a great reason for scum to go dochunting (presumably in the nonclears) as shooting for clears with a doc in the setup is tantamount to suicide. I was lowkey hinting I might be the doc with all the refusals to address why no-one else had gotten the result, and I fully expect at least mastina picked up on it because she knows the way I think to a certain degree. My read on me being roleblocked was that I was successful there, but didn't manage to draw the nightkill.

Additionally, if the scumteam began hunting the babysitter AND found them while they were acting like a vig, then we had a kill on a scummy slot.

And with that, I think I've put most of the cards I've been holding back out on the table.

[Nero Cain]

I think Shoshin is *kinda* scummy. Like, idk the impression I get is that she thinks she's super good player so I never really understood why she'd lurk and not do things. The whole "Nero is voting me b/c he's scum that wants to lynch me." was so fucking stupid and seemed a little scummy to me and I didn't like how Jingle was saying she was more likely to be 3p than mafia and that appeal where she used the mods words to try to argue that she was mod confirmed town BUT BUT given her role I think she's very unlikely to be in the original 5 scum. Let's hunt the remaining confirmed 3 scum and if the game isn't over we can come back.

[NicoRobin]

My claim is still what it was before, Conditional Tracker Conditional Triplevoter. All of my tracks got the result of 'visited no-one'.

So why aren't you saying who visited no one?

Poreksn, mastina and jjh are who I checked so far.

And N4?

No one. I forgot to.

[NicoRobin]

ok. But why did you no lynch.

-LH

@Jingle Why aren't you answering this one? If you are town, you should have no qualms about answering it......

[Jingle]

I think she's very unlikely to be in the original 5 scum.

The OP changed when she entered. Originally it said there were 5 scum, 16 town and 1 player of indeterminate alignment.

It now says that there are 5 scum 16 town and 2 players of indeterminate alignment.

Thus, Shoshin would have to be a sixth scum player in order to be scum, and Shoshin would have to be scum in order for there to be 7 scum.

Either way, there are at least 3 scum remaining outside of Shoshin, so yes. She is pretty much off the table for the foreseeable future.

And I retracted the likely 3rd party bit as soon as she claimed, so...

[Jingle]

ok. But why did you no lynch.

-LH

@Jingle Why aren't you answering this one? If you are town, you should have no qualms about answering it......

I already did. Twice.

Because, mechanically, it was the right play. Still is in hindsight. And I am uncompromising about espousing optimal mechanical play, because allowing people to make bad decisions mechanically encourages sloppy behaviors that more often than not make games unwinnable for town.

For the record, the optimal play was: Gladiate Anyone. Gladiate specifically Shoshin. Gladiate Y players, where Y is the number of additional players afforded by scumlynches and successful protections. Gladiate Meme Men, at exactly the point when number of players alive satisfied the mathematical equation I just linked.

[NicoRobin]

Well, then, I give up. Have me lynched and then cruise your way to victory, since no one here gives a damn about winning or losing, clearly. Enjoy Steven Universe 2 Mafia: The re-hash.

[Nero Cain]

I said something back on d2 I think that I thought it was funny that Mastina was Nico's sole target. I could buy a bussing case and its 50/50 between her and NSG so....

[Nero Cain]

on the flipside, I think JJH is pretty scummy and NSG is using his activity as a town tell. So I've been feeling like that's pretty scummy.

I feel like the Varsoon thing was a bus and scum are prob on it, yes?

or we could just like avoid an NSG/Nico vote today and like lynch Jingle or Vecna, yeah?

[THE MEME MEN]

Nico I kinda don't get why you seem so disinterested in NSG. Like I didn't come into today thinking you were the obvious pick and I kinda don't get why a few people think NSG is strong town cause I haven't seen a lot of town thought process from her. Like I don't see why you aren't pushing a strong case on her tbh

-rh

[NicoRobin]

Nico I kinda don't get why you seem so disinterested in NSG. Like I didn't come into today thinking you were the obvious pick and I kinda don't get why a few people think NSG is strong town cause I haven't seen a lot of town thought process from her. Like I don't see why you aren't pushing a strong case on her tbh

-rh

Because I have given up on people who have given up on reason?

[NicoRobin]

And also because people will call my case fake and say that I am 'fearmongering' and stuff, so I'll not bother.

[Creature]

Well, then, I give up. Have me lynched and then cruise your way to victory, since no one here gives a damn about winning or losing, clearly. Enjoy Steven Universe 2 Mafia: The re-hash.

We won there though

[Creature]

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