Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Mitillos]

@Varsoon: Irrelephant has you in the null pile, and has even said 2-3 times that he thinks your play seems town. Why are you so defensive towards him in 297?

[AlmostNancy]

@Varsoon,

Spoiler:

I’m liking you tonally but I sincerely hope you’re trolling us here. If not, I’m worried.


Did I just win this contest? \o/

[Varsoon]

You've got access to PTs that I am not in.
That's the first thing that comes to mind.
Via PT access, you've either convinced people you are town or you're just in a masonry.
I do suspect that at least one of Irrel, Shoshin, AlmostNancy, and TheWorst is scum, yes.
Probably only one, though, tbh.
I actually see Irrel as hard-softing mason on you right now with his whole 'if you do not believe me, lynch me first' play.

@Mitillos: I still annoyed. Doesn't matter if Irrel is townreading me if I think they're pushing bad ideas.

[Shoshin]

I do suspect that at least one of Irrel, Shoshin, AlmostNancy, and TheWorst is scum, yes.

Why?

[Keyser Söze]

{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
{skitter, keyser}
{nauci, creature}
{varsoon, saudade, teacher, xtoxm} null
{mitillos, performer}

pedit: I do not think mitillos should be in the unbreakable townblock, no.
Keyser which of those three reads shouldn't be in the townblock? Or why is that post more likely to come from scum!me than town!me. I can't think of a reason for you to dislike that post.

It wasn’t about me scum reading anyone in your town block... it was me disliking you throwing that town block together so soon (and potentially trying to pocket those 3 players).

Sorry if I’m trapped in this frame of mind/narrative but I gotta post everything down when I’m back on my laptop
(So you can see what I’m seeing)

[Xtoxm]

Wow just realized how crappy online photo editors are

Ikr?? I downloaded a bunch of apps and they were all useless.

[Keyser Söze]

I’m struggling for town reads so Varsoon’s attack on the ‘town read frenzy’ is actually refreshing and comforting

[Irrelephant11]

I do not think I should be in the townblock at this time.

[Xtoxm]

@varsoon. I'm not downgrading skitter (I mean I don't have much in the way of reads on anyone yet). What I notice is skitters were a bit more spread out, so perhaps that's why I didn't see her doing it

[Mitillos]

@Varsoon: That doesn't address the defensiveness, though. If you're annoyed at someone who is townreading you but otherwise wrong about someone else, where exactly does the "I am threatened scum" line come from? Also, which one from those four are you currently suspecting? Is it still Shoshin, or?

[Xtoxm]

Downgrading = townreading

[Shoshin]

Performer, Xtoxm, and one of Teacher, Varsoon, or Not_Mafia as scumteam? Seems almost too easy.

[Keyser Söze]

Creature should be a null read for everyone right now.

[Saudade]

oh lord thats a lot of text and its only been a few hours since my last post

[AlmostNancy]

P.edit. I think you’re barking up the wrong tree, you shoild be cataloging scumreads instead. Scum frequently has a disproportionate ratio of scumreads v townreads.

I'm not re-reading those first 10 pages ever again
If you wanna do that, be my guest, though it's hard to parse who has a legitimate scumread and not just 'bad vibes' or is voting someone for pressure.

Isn’t that typical for the first 10 pages? Usually when people go back and reread them after some flips, do most players form really strong scumreads.

[Shoshin]

Creature should be a null read for everyone right now.

I thought the humor in his posts around 250 were townish.

[Creature]

Performer, Xtoxm, and one of Teacher, Varsoon, or Not_Mafia as scumteam? Seems almost too easy.

Yeah, seems too easy

[Shoshin]

Performer, Xtoxm, and one of Teacher, Varsoon, or Not_Mafia as scumteam? Seems almost too easy.

Yeah, seems too easy

What're your reads?

[Creature]

I remember having some handful number of townreads but didn't mention them through the thread because it felt too obvious

[Creature]

Also apparently I'm being more hesitant to give reads on RVS posts

[Nauci]

Thoughts otherwise:
Nauci keeps using their vote as pressure on players that aren't here rather than sticking to a wagon and dealing with the possible interactions that come from it. I don't like this.
Mitilos and Skitter are parsing out their thoughts plenty and I like that, though I'm still trying to make heads or tails of them.
The Worst truly is The Worst but at the very least their play IS consistent and reminds me of their town play, so I don't feel horrible about their slot.

What's up you cool babies?

Confirming that I'm doing this

But also that I always do this

You know how often day 1 lurkers turn out to be scum while the whole town is busy FOSing each other?

[Performer]

Performer, Xtoxm, and one of Teacher, Varsoon, or Not_Mafia as scumteam?

Probably the most confusing one is nm, who hasnt even posted

[Shoshin]

I remember having some handful number of townreads but didn't mention them through the thread because it felt too obvious

Please mention. Join us townreaders!

[Nauci]

ye ok AlmostNancy can be town for now

wow I cant believe I'm playing a game with Nauci

cat's probably scum too

how so?

male intuition

You didn't even bother answering any of the points I raised, you just went straight for the vote.
Shoshin, I thought you were better.

Man I have a really hard time sorting people with this sort of ego and bravado

[Nauci]

Edit: Explain the new vote, please.

His aggression feels over-the-top. His "disgust" towards townreads doesn't feel town at all, especially when comparing Varsoon's town game to his scum game. As town, he himself tends to townread certain players for seemingly nothing (e.g. his townread on Reck in TAZ Mafia), whereas as scum he does everything in his power to prevent lots of townreads from forming (can't reference a specific game yet but will eventually). His vote on me feels thoughtless, like he's just trying to go make an against-the-grain vote instead of having actual reasons to suspect me as scum (there's none, since I'm town and when I'm town it's fairly obvious to anyone who has played wiht me before, and that includes Varsoon). And finally, his commentary on Nauci and others feels overly descriptive; as town he was more analytical and tended to make more concrete interpretations of alignment based on what players are doing, instead of just describing their behavivors and then saying he doesn't know what it means.

Having experience with both town Varsoon and scum Varsoon, I'm confident this is his scum game. His response to my vote is also pretty damning imo, since he's not even trying to sort me but instead just wants to start a pointless back-and-forth between us when he should know better - it'll just clog the game with stuff that isn't relevant, since we just disagree about how to play the game on a very fundamental level.

Personally, I thought his reasons made sense from his perspective to dislike us, even if I happen to disagree since I know more about both of our styles.