Open 742: C9++ (Game Over)

[Lovebird]

You think Almost is scum, Maria?

Yeah just look at that iso. Do you think he's town atm?

Ya, a little.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Shema has not posted after being prodded, seeking replacement. They can continue in the game if they post before a replacement is found.
Prodding Lovebird.

I'd add another 2 votes on this one to force the replacement to catch up and play rather than play for time.

I am willing to be one of them.
VOTE: Shema

Cast a full 8 hours before you replaced in.

[davesaz]

Votecount 1.9

LolWagons(4)

~ Gamma Emerald(31), Almost50(40), ReaperOfSouls(7), Clemency(10)

Clemency(3)

~ LolWagons(19), Gnelf(5), Dunnstral(32)

Almost50(2)

~ MariaR(25), PenguinPower(8)

Gnelf(1)

~ 0verki11(11)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ Persivul(26)

Egix96(1)

~ Lovebird(26)

Dunnstral(1)

~ Egix96(13)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-08 19:30:04)

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald

Spoiler: Lean Town

#135: Honestly thought his vote was fine on this slot, I know its my slot, but that was a good discussion starter for that early in the game. I like him laying down his hand here, wish he would have waited for A50 to answer the question first though.
#143: Good read, agree

There's a lot of posts here but those are the two that stuck out. Proactive, driving discussion, seems town.

ReaperOfSouls

Spoiler: Lean Scum

#99 Probably not scum buddies with the hydra
#125: Okay
#205: Okay
#215: Okay

Profile pretty much identical to Clemency. No contributions, lots of fluff, no original thoughts.

Gnelf

Spoiler: Lean Town

#167: Yes

Slight town because they voted my scumread and brought up what I was going to bring up.

Egix96

Spoiler: Lean Scum

#122: Ew
#126: Ew-er
#183: Ew
#201: Ew-er

Although engaging a bit more genuinely and directly than Reaper or Clemency still a lot of fluff and maybe a bit of buddying.

MariaR

Spoiler: Null

#9: Trolling for reactions, love it.
#64: Direct, I like it. One on one with Dunn doesn't really offer me any new insight into the read.
#174: Good read.

Overall an alright slot, Not a lot of participation outside a couple town reads and a one on one with Dunn so I'm not comfortable calling this slot lean town but if there was a gun to my head I'd call town.

Dunnstral

Spoiler: Lean Town

#68: Ew
#75: More Ew. That's not shade, it was a valid point. Pretty unabashed OMGUS.
#83: You're being active, I wouldn't call it proactive.
#89: But one of those was RVS...am I misreading something?
#107: Okay not his post but A50's, apparently Dunn gets run up a lot on day 1 accordin to Gamma, and a50 is reads him town. Doesn't mean he is immune to a scum role PM but that gives context I guess.
#142: Actually does read town, agree with Gamma.
# 197: Haha, now that's shade. That's how shade is thrown.

Overall a headstrong slot, I think with the lack of other strong personalities in this game it might work for you instead of against you here.

Clemency

Spoiler: Lean Scum

#101/#102: Unless "dab" is a significant contribution I'm unaware of, we are on 6 posts with nothing useful outside an RVS vote and no meaningful engagement with other players
#155: Okay seriously wtf how are people letting this guy gallivant around uselessly like this 7 pages in
#175: Sheeping a town read okay cool that's almost contribution.
#216: Okay great still nothing original to contribute
#217: I haven't

0verki11

Spoiler: Lean Town

#46 is good.
#173 is good.
#222 looks like the reasoning comes from town.

Not a lot of super strong tells but town seems fairly likely for this slot.

Persivul

Spoiler: Probably Town

#65/#66: Waiting before he shows his hand for Gamma's reaction is nice. Very Socratic type of play. Interested in reactions and thus alignment.
#76: More of the that
#115: I like you noticed this but agree he was just feigning confidence for reactions as he later stated.
#202: Is good pressure.

Probably my strongest town read. Seems the most engaged and the most direct. Definitely a drive to discern alignment and not just drive lynches.

Almost50

Spoiler: Null

#12: Okay, interesting. Are you implying we shouldn't take that at face value? Is there any reason to doubt the claim?
#118: Everything on this page seems town from A50. I like the questions he is asking and the interactions with Pers.
#214: You know if you say your vote is for a specific reaction you pretty much forfeit that reaction from happening right?

Going back and forth with this. Some fluff (like #12 above, and to a lesser extent #214), and the whole IC thing and posting in the wrong thread is making a little unsure where to place him because if he is that disengaged I don't know how confident I can be in any tells I think I pick up.

PenguinPower

Spoiler: Town

He's the IC. Duh.

Lovebird

Spoiler: Null

#105 I like the early reads even if at this point I don't agree with Dunn. LB seems to be playing transparently.

I like the amount of reads but the lack of explanation and proactive engagement is nullifying that. Seems like a pattern of swooping in, giving vague reads, then leaving.

General thoughts:
Not as confident in my reads as I normally am. Too many people (Egix, Maria, Reaper, Clemency) have gotten away with mainly fluff posting and it makes it really hard to discern alignment. Also, leaving your votes parked on a lurker slot to pressure the replacement? Seems mainly like an excuse to not engage with other players. What if it took a while to find a replacement? And the fact that the closest we've gotten to a lynch is L-3...explains why I am having trouble with the reads. Wagons generate content.

Also, just going to head off the OMGUS accusations now: Yes, I realize two of my scum reads are on my wagon. No, I don't think they are both scum (I don't think scum would wagon back to back like that), but I think that's where pressure needs to go and I bet one of them is.

Also, disclaimer, this is an alt of Slaxx, I just can't access the account currently. So if meta is your thing have at it. I have a couple completed games on this guy as well from a while back.

Bit perturbed by who your suspects are given Gnelf expressing similar suspicions a few posts before this

[Gamma Emerald]

You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?

MariaR I think we might be gelling this game

[LolWagons]

Except I laid down that vote on Clemency before Gnelf.

[LolWagons]

Shema has not posted after being prodded, seeking replacement. They can continue in the game if they post before a replacement is found.
Prodding Lovebird.

I'd add another 2 votes on this one to force the replacement to catch up and play rather than play for time.

I am willing to be one of them.
VOTE: Shema

Cast a full 8 hours before you replaced in.

Yes thanks for coming in to defend yourself and then doing absolutely nothing else.

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't think it's clemency.

Who do YOU think it is then?

[Gamma Emerald]

Except I laid down that vote on Clemency before Gnelf.

Meh. Still feels off.

[LolWagons]

Except I laid down that vote on Clemency before Gnelf.

Meh. Still feels off.

Your worry was with me “sheeping” two reads. I say, well, actually I had this vote down first. So max I sheeped one read. Mara says “I don’t care” and you say “Meh still feels off”. Is sheeping one read on someone suspicious or not? Simple stuff.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I also noticed you last stated scumread EgiX has a comparison to Clemency and ROS so it just struck me as off how you seemed to be basing your reads off of that

[LolWagons]

Well I also noticed you last stated scumread EgiX has a comparison to Clemency and ROS so it just struck me as off how you seemed to be basing your reads off of that

I don’t think I agree with the logic of what you’re saying but I at least get where you’re coming from.

Sorry man, my reads are my reads. It’s unfortunate that G beat me to posting them but I’m obviously not changing them because people don’t like that they came after someone else’s.

[Clemency]

take a look at my meta thanks

[Gnelf]

Overkill, do you scum ready anyone rn?

[Gnelf]

- blob

[LolWagons]

take a look at my meta thanks

Already did.

Literally like your fourth ever post in a newbie game was something like “let’s stay on topic this isn’t a chat room”

You were town that game. And you engaged players more directly.

[LolWagons]

Having a scummy meta does not make one immune from getting a mafia role PM. I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face.

[Gnelf]

take a look at my meta thanks

That's a non-defense. Please post an actual one.

-PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese

[Clemency]

sigh
check my more recent games
i'm 16
you really think i havent changed at all in 2 years

[Clemency]

is gamma in this game
gamma can vouch for me

[Clemency]

like i'm sorry this is just a really boring game for me and i'm past my tryhard days
i'm phoneposting from class atm

[LolWagons]

That’s not the only game I checked. Just the most memorable as the irony of seeing that post was thick given what I’m seeing in this game.

How about actually give a few reads?

[Clemency]

"defend yourself" *defends myself* "omg why arent you giving reads"

[Clemency]

stop tunneling

[LolWagons]

"defend yourself" *defends myself* "omg why arent you giving reads"

Yeah how dare I ask someone for reads in a mafia game