Newbie 1902 l Amphibians l Game Over

[Thespio]

^your play would have won town the game if we do.

[Doughboy]

The funny thing is all this started because you wouldn’t listen to me about quick hammers. It’s funny how your stubbornness ultimately caused mine.

Y’all want me to switch but nobody is actually trying to convince me with reasons. Why are these other people scum?

Why is numbers scum?
Why is crusty bread scum?

The post by one has me fucked up btw.

I’m completely mind fucked with this entire game.

UNVOTE:

Until I can wrap my head around things.

[NotNova]

Reads:

Townread: Thespio
Townlean: skitter
Null: Numbers, Doughboy
Scumread: crusty/overki11

Spoiler: Thespio

I'm going to agree on the consensus regarding Thespio. He's been asking a lot of the right questions at the right time - casting a wide net when questioning other players and town-incentivized interactions with inactive/difficult-to-read slots makes for a solid townread from me.

Overall "town-curiosity" is the key here IMO, it's hard to properly fake. That, or I'm really underestimating Thespio's scumgame - I did have a bit of pause when he made his early townread on me, but in hindsight I don't think it fits a scum narrative in his overall play.
Either way, with the info I have now, there's never a world where I want to see him flipped today.

Spoiler: skitter

I was really on the rocks when it came to this slot - a lot of her predictions came off as TMI + positioning for D2 after an obvious (from scum-perspective) mislynch. Granted, she's been riding that wave for much of D2 as well, but there's one key post in particular that stands out to me: #176 is a very logical readslist from town!skitter and the way she acknowledged she misinterpreted our initial interactions leads me to believe I was probably wrong on D1. FMPOV scum!skitter could have been pushing the scum!me narrative much, much harder with a solid trajectory set up on D1 - IDT there's any reason to be very cautious there.

The only reason I'm not full-townreading here is that I still think there's a bit of artificiality/scum-incentive from our D1 interactions, but I'm willing to acknowledge it was most likely TvT on our part.

Spoiler: Doughboy

The simplest way to describe Doughboy's play is - lazy. The only question is if it's lazy town or lazy scum.

Doughboy has declined to take advantage of pretty much anything - when questioned, he's pretty much explicitly stated his lack of agenda.
The only thing that stands out as potentially scum-motivated is the mislynch, but Doughboy has been so straightforward on the matter it's almost refuge in audacity if he's scum here.

Overall it's a bit of a "burden of proficiency" matter - I expect Doughboy to know that this doesn't make him look very towny and the fact that he seems to not care very much makes me lean lazy-town on the matter, even if it's WIFOMy.

This is not to be read as an excuse, so feel free to pick up your slack soon.

Spoiler: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

Numbers's contributions have been very mediocre so far - the thought process is pretty vague here. The only thing I'm buying is the "correction as first instinct" excuse, it's so obviously hilariously transparent as a scum-move that I can't see it coming from newb-scum, and frankly, it'd probably be my first thought when I first started playing.

Spoiler: starrydash/crusty

It's inherently a surface-level scumread due to lack of content but the fact that starry used the phrase "reaction test" implies at least some level of understanding of online mafia, as I don't think this is a commonly used piece of mafia vocabulary IRL. Couple this with two seperate warnings about NOT HAMMERING WITHOUT INTENT and I'm willing to believe that starry knew exactly what they were doing.

The subsequent silence was truly deafening - I think this is almost certainly +rand scum.
Crusty's sheep is a pretty weak excuse for a vote in my eyes, so nothing to redeem the slot there.

Spoiler: overki11

Now for the fun one... I'm going to start off by saying that "defensiveness" is a crappy scumtell. What I think isn't is paranoia.
Overki11 has tried to justify his non-scumminess at several points without absolutely any provocation - I think this is indicative of an overawareness that isn't likely to come from town. This preoccupation with defending oneself at the expense of progressing any tangible reads definitely looks very scummy when taken holistically.

This is pretty much what makes Doughboy different from overki11: Doughboy doesn't seem to give a crap, overki11 jumps at shadows so nothing they did would be interpreted as scummy. I think this supports a scum-mindset from overki11.

VOTE: overki11

It's a little late, but barring what I said above about you and 0verki11 this is how I feel about the slots. Any comments, Doughboy? I'm interested in starry/crusty's slot in particular.

[NotNova]

Thespio makes a really good case against 0verki11 actually. Can I vote for him?

This is a post you acknowledged as problematic as well, since there essentially WAS no solid case by Thespio at that point.

[NotNova]

Even if we take that quickhammers are NAI (though I still think they're anti-town), what specifically worries me is that it was made at a time when I was starting to doubt if Yyotta was just policy or actual scum, that it was done after two seperate warnings about not quickhammering and that it was followed by drastic inactivity by both starry and crusty. I think the combination lends considerable scum equity to the slot.

In principle I think there should be at least one scum in numbers/crusty, we've all been far too loud in our play for me to find anyone active scummier.

[Thespio]

The funny thing is all this started because you wouldn’t listen to me about quick hammers. It’s funny how your stubbornness ultimately caused mine.

Y’all want me to switch but nobody is actually trying to convince me with reasons. Why are these other people scum?

Why is numbers scum?
Why is crusty bread scum?

The post by one has me fucked up btw.

I’m completely mind fucked with this entire game.

UNVOTE:

Until I can wrap my head around things.

We’re both pretty stubborn, I can give you the ld on them.

Numbers:
Lurking, active posts on site but not in this game
Helped starrydash (now crusty) with the hammer
Was a pushing force on overkill and still has their vote on him despite no CC

Crusty(starrydash)
Starry was a brand new player so it’s believable that they could have hammered as one BUT because numbers looks scummy it almost looks like they mentored starry into it.
Posts are very scattered and they posted after the claim of tracker. Which would imply they knew about it and left their vote on a townie.
Also lurking

Looking at that do you have any opinions?

PEDIT
NotNovas quote with crusty also came when I hadn’t even looked at overkill yet.

[Thespio]

Crusty was also on today

[Thespio]

VOTE: crusty

[Thespio]

Can we get a VC when you get a chance?

[NotNova]

that's the third vote btw, the l-1 vote

i *strongly* do not believe that we're ready for the day to end

nobody should be hammering here before giving intent and giving overkill a chance to claim

VOTE: crusty

Cool, claiming Tracker

Do you hard claim?

This post is actually very interesting because to me it signals a potential CC — which, if it came, idk which one I'd hammer. They were both in my SRs for a reason.

If they did a timely CC this game would have gone A LOT differently...

[NotNova]

Crusty at L-1 btw.

[Thespio]

@mod can you prod crusty and can we get a VC

[AnonymousGhost]

crusty has been prodded.

(expired on 2018-12-06 17:47:29)

[AnonymousGhost]

Vote Count 2.6

NotNova:

crusty: skitter30, NotNova, Thespio [L-1]

Thespio:

NotAJumbleOfNumbers:

0verki11: NotAJumbleOfNumbers, crusty

Doughboy: 0verki11

skitter30:

Not Voting: Doughboy

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

(expired on 2018-12-06 11:18:36)

[0verki11]

He can only get a hard guilty tho - cant get an inno if we nolynch

I also dont like that he dissapeared either

Idk ill check throughout the day and see whats happening

I checked you Skitter, I wanted to confirm the IC if they were to stay alive.
No result

No result?

That’s not possible

As in no visit.

[NotNova]

Talk to me 0verki11, who's the scum?

[skitter30]

Was a pushing force on overkill and still has their vote on him despite no CC

he actually hasn't posted in thread since the tracker claim, although he has posted elsewhere on site i think

[skitter30]

He can only get a hard guilty tho - cant get an inno if we nolynch

I also dont like that he dissapeared either

Idk ill check throughout the day and see whats happening

I checked you Skitter, I wanted to confirm the IC if they were to stay alive.
No result

No result?

That’s not possible

As in no visit.

oh good, now we know i didn't murder anyone last night

it would be kinda helpful if you shared your reads a bit more, given the deadline and all
or at least say where you're willing to vote

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

Whoa, what even happened here? Give me a moment to get caught up.
Also UNVOTE: 0verki11

[Thespio]

Whoa, what even happened here? Give me a moment to get caught up.
Also UNVOTE: 0verki11

Let us know when you are

[0verki11]

Crusty or Number are preffered lynch imo

[0verki11]

UNVOTE:

[Thespio]

Crusty or Number are preffered lynch imo

What posts put you there?

[0verki11]

Crusty or Number are preffered lynch imo

What posts put you there?

PoE mainly will quote posts when I get home.

[Doughboy]