Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[the worst]

I literally can't remember why I liked nm. Hard to keep up with 15 slots

[AlmostNancy]

Still reading back:

VOTE: Xtoxm

Strikes me a possibly disgruntled scum, like Shoshin said, pissed at the townblock.

Interesting... Varsoon and I were frustrated/annoyed with the quick erection of the townblock too, what did you think about OUR reactions?

I thought yours was townie. Xtoxm’s OTOH, didn’t really make alot of sense to me but the tipping point for me, was when he shetchily lifted that Shoshin quote from a signup thread and attempted to shade her with it. His ISO consists mostly of bullshit rationalizations and very little actual solving.

[Shoshin]

I can give you a couple reasons NM's town. His opening post isn't how I expect him to enter the game as scum. He didn't quickhammer when given the opportunity, which is very towny for him unless Xtom's his partner. And he just felt much less awkwardly self-conscious than when he's scum.

[Nauci]

Not_Mafia feels town to me. I'd rather lynch Performer.

Why to both of those things

Performer got quiet again

P.S. can we all take a moment to appreciate how great it's been to have this many players in a game interacting in real time

[Shoshin]

Fun game!

[the worst]

NM reads self conscious and awkward to you when he's scum? that's weird, he plays it safe but I don't think he's all that restrained tonally as scum

[the worst]

Yeah the list in this game is like, better than I thought was practically possible rn. <3 glad it's been so spicy and engaging so far.

[AlmostNancy]

Please never link me to an RC game again.
That dude's play is so insufferable that it's hard enough to deal with when I'm in a game I signed up for.
If there's a point you'd wanna get across by linking one of those games, just save me the headache and tell me what I'm supposed to get from it and I'll take you at face value.

I’m aware you’re not a fan but I have to link the game, to show where I got the particular quote from, so people can verify what I was saying about Kokichi’s alignment in those games was the truth.

[Creature]

Creature, this applies to you too. Too close to deadline to be making fun of existing wagons or joking about being wagoned or self voting. Who are you scum reading?

Also

Scum on this site self votes a lot

Actually I've been selfvoting because of Mini 2044, where I happened to give good reads under pressure.

[Keyser Söze]

Not_Mafia feels town to me. I'd rather lynch Performer.

Why to both of those things

Performer got quiet again

P.S. can we all take a moment to appreciate how great it's been to have this many players in a game interacting in real time

I lit the fuse.

[Shoshin]

NM reads self conscious and awkward to you when he's scum? that's weird, he plays it safe but I don't think he's all that restrained tonally as scum

I think all scum are more self-conscious than their town counterparts. Even you, and you're pretty unrestrained as scum.

[AlmostNancy]

Not_Mafia feels town to me. I'd rather lynch Performer.

I think lynching anyone on the Xtoxm wagon is probably a mislynch. If he flips green, I’d be more than willing to reacess Performer but not before that.

[Shoshin]

Creature, this applies to you too. Too close to deadline to be making fun of existing wagons or joking about being wagoned or self voting. Who are you scum reading?

Also

Scum on this site self votes a lot

Actually I've been selfvoting because of Mini 2044, where I happened to give good reads under pressure.

This made me laugh.

[Creature]

I doubt it was a serious vote.

It was somewhat a self-punishment, somewhat "what if self-pressure really works?"

[Creature]

Has creature this game came up with any fresh takes on players?

Someone has just been talking about my townread on Xtoxm -_-

[the worst]

I think we should be talking with you more tomorrow Creature but the idea of pressurewagoning you this close to EoD when the competing wagons don't have all that many votes on them kinda stresses me out

vote elsewhere?

[Creature]

I think scum is among Kokichi, Xtom, Performer, Key, Not_Mafia, Mew, Skitter, and maybe Mitillos.

I too can name over half the game and say I think scum is in there

Not when you name the other half as likely never scum.

[Creature]

Varsoon what the fuck are you trying to do?

Why are you voting my predecessor. Did they do bad things?

They claimed watcher that can see who their target visits.

[Creature]

Just, in the game I modded which was totally nuts, I think all 3 scum at some point self voted.

My predecessor self-voted actually.

[Creature]

vote elsewhere?

but where?

[AlmostNancy]

I can give you a couple reasons NM's town. His opening post isn't how I expect him to enter the game as scum. He didn't quickhammer when given the opportunity, which is very towny for him unless Xtom's his partner. And he just felt much less awkwardly self-conscious than when he's scum.

I’ve never played with scum!NM but I’ve read nothing so far in his ISO, that strikes me as in anyway scummy.

[Irrelephant11]

I would also like to vouch for Skitter joining the townblock

Towncasing Nauci with quotes is turning out to be a terrible experience on mobile but I’m still working on it because I think I really do believe it

[AlmostNancy]

Varsoon what the fuck are you trying to do?

Why are you voting my predecessor. Did they do bad things?

You betcha.
He tried to pocket me, then ignored me trying to reach out to him.

Very bad things indeed. :/

the worst is town this game
what a relief

Is this is what kids are calling a “pocket” these days?

I guess most of the playerlist must be scum in that case.

can't help the cheekiness

Nope, it’s as natural as breathing to me - maybe even moreso.

[Irrelephant11]

Sup y'all

Stacked roster ♪┏(°.°)┛┗(°.°)┓┗(°.°)┛┏(°.°)┓ ♪

Since I'm still recovering from pollution induced bronchitis and general burn out, don't expect me to be at my 110% wall posting mode for a bit

I'll aim for like 40% capacity and if town is lucky I'll get all the way up to half assed

But I do intend to come out of this with a 12-1 town record...

Okay so I actually remember not townreading this entrance, and I still don’t love it (“expect less from me”). The ironic thing though is I don’t feel like I’m getting less from a Nauci than usual, and I agree with her recent self-analysis that she’s getting a similar amount of scumhunting done with fewer walls.

Now that everybody but NM has joined us

VOTE: varsoon

39 this is the closest I've seen TW ever get to having a natural flow and carefree attitude. I feel like I'm pretty confident at reading scum worst at this point and there's no hint of the nervous YOLOing and showboating I've seen (unfortunately for our poor ducky) too many times. Town lean.

we can sniff out scum together buddeh

90 I'm also fairly confident in my ability to read irrelephant and while it's too early to go into details, I disagree with your assessment in this post. However, thank you for 104 because I need to go read up on that scumrelephant game.

106 I have very WIFOM thoughts about this post and the use of "same team" instead of "both town." I would think scum faking this banter would take care to say "town" instead of "same team"? But then again, if this was a casual thought typed directly into the box without too much thought for manipulation, it felt quite scummy.

I'm voting Varsoon for now because that entrance left a lot to be desired.

I think the tw & varsoon reads made sense here, the willingness to give reads with reasons here is towny, and the comments about me are usual for town!Nauci. This is the start of buddying-me-by-way-of-complimenting-my-scum-game, though, if Keyser is right about her play, so we’ll track that too

I've got no read at all on Keyser since I'm recalibrating on him haha

Makes perfect sense for Nauci given WW and is towny for her here (and I no longer think they’re partners)

Thoughts otherwise:
Nauci keeps using their vote as pressure on players that aren't here rather than sticking to a wagon and dealing with the possible interactions that come from it. I don't like this.
Mitilos and Skitter are parsing out their thoughts plenty and I like that, though I'm still trying to make heads or tails of them.
The Worst truly is The Worst but at the very least their play IS consistent and reminds me of their town play, so I don't feel horrible about their slot.

What's up you cool babies?

Confirming that I'm doing this

But also that I always do this

You know how often day 1 lurkers turn out to be scum while the whole town is busy FOSing each other?

The last question here is totally consistent with town!Nauci, who keeps attention and pressure on lurkers because she thinks it’s important

Varsoon, why do you treat early, 2-3 votewagons as if they must be accurate reads, or require extensive justification, or are in danger of leading to your lynch?

The fact that you're already talking about how you'd flip from having 2 page <10 votes on you gives me bad vibes, but maybe we just have wildly different early game philosophy. What's yours?

I pulled this post to say I liked the “stop getting stuck in these two options” thing she’s doing
I also think the “what’s yours” is sort of tonally off for the post, like it’s too easy & lighthearted? I would s/s read this if either ever flips scum, but till then, I think it’s just Nauci sort of changing the subject/helping varsoon open up

VOTE: shosin

I was already getting scum vibes from calling a bunch of different people town for no reason and campaigning for a policy lynch is just a dick move

This is the least original post in the game

Varsoon are you going to call out this plagiarism

My naughty list is currently xtoxm, performer, and possibly Keyser but that's just for having been relatively quiet for keyser

This is audacious for scum!Nauci

Perhaps TW and Nauci could chip in here too...

I outright withhold judgement on Irrelephant11 for the time being

Town!Nauci always does this so it would be scummy if she didn’t
It might be something she feels the need to do as scum to keep up our meta but it’s NAI if so

the caveat on my reads is that I have townleaned friends who do not deserve it before because I like them

When you post stuff like this, Irrel, it feels like you're scum giving yourself wiggle room to later be okay with a lynch on your townreads, 'cus you were just 'friendreading' them and could be wrong.
:/

good thing I wrote other posts huh

I love this new sassy Irrelephant, regardless of alignment

Re:pocketing this is a nice thing to say, but Nauci compliments my personality and play as town (while also being afraid of my scumgame) so it’s not really enough for pocketing imo

Yeah, because anyone claiming strong reads this early in the game is more likely to just be

lying

.

Interesting you’d say “lying” as opposed to just wrong.

So, lemme get this straight. According to you, everyone who has claimed to have a strong read - either town or scum - is more likely to be straight-up lying than wrong.

Wow, this must be like the most scum sided game in the history of Mafia then.

Nice catch

I didn’t really think this was a nice catch? But I think I maybe believe Nauci thinks this is a nice catch
Especially given its consistent with a previous scumreading xtoxm

Lol @ having 2 strong instant scum reads in a large game. Get ove4 yourself.

I'm glad you decided to respond to pressure with great contributions and sortable content that makes it easy to town read you

Hey maybe don't be a prat like this.

Hey maybe I don't respond to condescension with acquiescence

This is Nauci being Nauci, allow me to introduce you to Nauci
NAI but great

xtoxm you should post more so that it is harder for nauci to mislynch you

Why are you so sure xtoxm is a mislynch? Is this based on meta?

I read this as Irrelephant's plea to xtoxm speaking from xtoxm's POV presuming that he's town and I'm "lying"

It's a very in character device for townrelephant and I'll have to read his more recent scum game(s) to determine if scumrelephant does it too

Re:pocketing like mayyybe Nauci goes into this game trying really hard to pocket me? But at the same time I think scum!Nauci wants me dead, and given my claim she’d need me lynched eventually, and defending me accurately when she could just *not* seems unnecessary here

Good point, I must @mit

But yeah, performer's posts all ping me

Like the "fixed" post where he wants to point out that people also wanted to policy him (? I don't know if that happened and no one else noticed or talked about it?). It's just hyper aware of what others have said about him when the rest of the posts make it clear that we weren't putting any weight into those posts. To me, this comes across as the actions of a guilty conscience/perspective at a much stronger degree than anything else I could consider alignment indicative this game, without tons of further research into various players' metas.

Also, while I haven't processed it into detailed explanation yet, I think of townrelephant as more like a bloodhound than an elephant. He checks under every rock and chases every possible lead and is never hesitant to get on wagons to pressure players in the interest of sortable content or chasing up a hunch. He's like the entire Mystery Van crew by himself, and exudes the town confidence of not feeling like he owes explanations of his actions until after his play is done.

P.S. I'm not sorry for the awful pun

This is the only post I’d think is maybe meant to pocket me

Oh I actually misread the performer "fixed" post (I thought he was saying there was a PL proposed on him instead of that he also denied a PL on varsoon)

It softens my stance a little but now I am more perplexed by the post than ever

Eh, makes sense

I've seen townrelephant exhibit these behaviors in every game I've seen townrelephant

He's infectiously cheerful to the point of paranoia driving pocketing as a personality

So you're sold he's outside his scum range here?

No. As I always say, his scum range is huge and he's good at it.

I'm just saying that all of those behaviors are within his town range.

Which his scum range largely encompasses.

Irrelephant requires far more observation to sort than that.

Nauci just does this with me D1, doesn’t feel like pocketing, we’re friends and she’s paranoid about my scumgame, etc etc

@Varsoon

My experience with Shoshin is that she is always rather aggressive and asks very, very good questions of people which really press them to explain their line of thinking in a sortable way. She's like a math teacher constantly demanding every student show their work so even if they're wrong we can see how they got there or if they're right we know they weren't cheating off of someone else's post. I frequently disagree with her conclusions but her method has proven very valuable but also frequently lynchbaity because there's a stubbornness and frequent empty voting employed. You don't have to follow her conclusions but you should investigate her meta to see that this is in line with her town game.

This post was going to get posted by *someone* given multiple players’ experience playing with shoshin but that doesn’t mean Nauci should get townread for being the one to do so

Ducky you're one of the most fun players on the site

You're excellent at combatting cynicism and fatigue and an expert at defusing tense situations by just being you

Hmm if scum, Nauci is here to pocket every player she thinks she can in some very large pockets
I think it might just be more likely that Nauci is really enjoying herself playing with friends who are good teammates as town

Hey that's not a theory

Tricksy keyser

I townread the tone of this

Is NM alive it's been 2 days

I miss that quirky miltank

Towny timing to be paranoid about NM



tl;dr Nauci could be scum but if so she’s doing it really well, playing very boldly with a direct intention to pocket, feeling very comfortable (which would be new for her scumgame), and I just think occam’s razor says Nauci is town having fun and chasing leads

[Irrelephant11]

I only got halfway through the ISO but I’m gonna stop here I think because I’m not lynching Nauci and I don’t think anyone else should want to, either, and mobile posting has made this notttt funnnn to do