Mini 2039: uPicketyPicketyPick Mafia Endgame

[Varsoon]

Hahaha
You trying to wiggle out of responsibility for your posts is cute.
Stay basic, get lynched.

[Varsoon]

I bet you haven't even read THE WALL.
I finally figured why your posts are such shit--you've been talking out of your ass this whole game.

[RadiantCowbells]

fwiw my read on you is nothing special, you're really just obvious scum varsoon

[RadiantCowbells]

also town!Varsoon only realizing now that I've been talking out my ass the entire game in a universe where he thinks i'm scum is...

i have a lot more respect for the people positing that this is SvS than the people who think this is TvT

[Not Known 15]

you can even still think I'm scum but varsoon is a far better vote based on your own thoughts on the game.

No. You act scummy, so you are the more likely scum if one of you is town. I have played against you as scum before. And if the question is if we lynch Varsoon or you when you are both scum then the answer is you because you won a minigame.

[RadiantCowbells]

I really don't act scummy. firebringer is the sole person in this game who has any equity reading me whatsoever and he's sheeping me (even if he's not perfect, no one is.)
i'm just being me. you're going to find that the reasons that you scumread me in the newbie, like I said at the time, are utterly meaningless in terms of reading me and so you were 'right for the wrong reasons.'

[RadiantCowbells]

the difference between me and varsoon right now
is that I'm begging everyone to judge my alignment by the varsoon flip and focusing purely on what I can bring to the table lynching scum wise to prove that I'm town
and Varsoon is repeatedly bringing up that I'm 'making this personal' with him to get the idea in people's minds so that on the off chance that he manages to win the 1v1 he can then go in tomorrow and continue off of that line of thought.

one of the pair of us is willing to say that if this read is wrong they are scum by default. the other is not. that should tell you about who really expects the other to flip scum and who is just trying to survive.

[RadiantCowbells]

and yes, you and others are correct that is the kind of setup I would make if I was bussing. i don't think there's a particularly good way to determine if I am bussing or not here because all anyone can really read into me is that I know varsoon is flipping scum

but there's really only two worlds here, one where I'm scum with varsoon and one where varsoon is scum without me. and in both instances flipping varsoon is a good thing.

[Varsoon]

I really don't act scummy. firebringer is the sole person in this game who has any equity reading me whatsoever and he's sheeping me (even if he's not perfect, no one is.)

"The dude I've pocketed, who has admitted to being pocketed by me, is the only person who can read me accurately"

If only FB can read you accurately, maybe you should work on that.
Seems like a huge issue if you're town.
The fact that you think being unreadable in this game is a bragging point indicates that you're scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

zzz

[RadiantCowbells]

oh
here's the thing

when my identity is undetermined i'm locktown by everyone because i just radiate townness. i have been lynched exactly once in an anonymous game or on an offsite game where no one knows me and it was an MU turbo where i was drunk and lurked. the issue is that i radiate the same town energy as scum so people train themselves to ignore it. being good at scum shouldn't be treated like a flaw in your town game but for some reason people think it is.

not a person in this game would think my play is scum if it didn't have my name behind it and you damn well know it.

[Not Known 15]

the difference between me and varsoon right now
is that I'm begging everyone to judge my alignment by the varsoon flip and focusing purely on what I can bring to the table lynching scum wise to prove that I'm town
and Varsoon is repeatedly bringing up that I'm 'making this personal' with him to get the idea in people's minds so that on the off chance that he manages to win the 1v1 he can then go in tomorrow and continue off of that line of thought.

one of the pair of us is willing to say that if this read is wrong they are scum by default

. the other is not. that should tell you about

who really expects the other to flip scum

and who is just trying to survive.

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells
Not buying this. There is no need for Varsoon, if town, to expressly state that they are scum by default because that's not his decision to make anyways - and not a desirable scenario for the unlikely TVT. Everyone knows, if for whatever reason, Varsoon flips town while you are town then you will fight against your lynch.
Saying that you are scum by default is just an appeal to emotion that can easily come from scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

and that is NOT an MS thing specifically. it's mafia wide. you can only be a top tier player at one alignment because being good at scum handicaps your town game so much.

[Varsoon]

and Varsoon is repeatedly bringing up that I'm 'making this personal' with him to get the idea in people's minds so that on the off chance that he manages to win the 1v1 he can then go in tomorrow and continue off of that line of thought.

Read again, RC:

They're trying to create this really obnoxious player vs player situation where there is none, and create the feeling that this is some NAI personal beef when it isn't.

You keep insisting that I'm making this personal, when literally I have not.

varsoon wants to lynch me for out of game reasons regardless of his alignment.

Sure is cool that it's fine for YOU to leverage OUT OF GAME REASONS to wipe aside any sort of legitimate case I have against you.

You know if you're scum this game, I will never forgive this shit.

But yeah why'd I vote RC in the first place?
Must clearly have been out of game reasons.
Couldn't possibly be legitimate casing...

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

Really have come to expect more than the nebulous reads and fluffposting from you.
Step it up.

Oooh!
I know you're relying on people

not reading the game

so that you can

blatantly lie about what has transpired

but, unfortunately, I can just QUOTE POSTS THAT PROVE YOU WRONG YOU LYING SCUMFUCK

[RadiantCowbells]

varsoon ur a bad scum player and should feel bad.

[Not Known 15]

varsoon ur a bad scum player and should feel bad.

Yeah. SvS. Lynch RC today. Varsoon tomorrow. MariaR the day after tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

oh and yes, i originally was reluctant to push you or, really do much in this game, because i wasn't sure if you were just genuinely pants on head town

but then I realized that you would have been actually trying to get me lynched instead of just making a show of your scumread on me and being willing to jump on whatever wagon necessary
then when you were called out for the being willing to jump on other wagons when you should be voting me based on your claimed reads, you backed up and went back into tunnel me mode.

when your play was no longer feasibly pants on town I EXPLICITLY dropped all personality conflict from the issue, EXPLICITLY said that I believed you when you said that it wasn't personal and was just a game related thing

and then said you were 100% scum and there would be absolutely no excuses based on whatever if you weren't because I am damn well good enough at town to guarantee scumflips on someone playing like you.

[Not Known 15]

If Varsoon flips town after RC flips scum and then MariaR flips scum the last scum is Firebringer.

[RadiantCowbells]

what happens when RC flips town?

[RadiantCowbells]

asking for a friend.

[RadiantCowbells]

my only mentions of personality conflict were to explain to Elbirn why his position was untenable based on his own claimed beliefs. this isn't personal. when I say I refuse to lose to you it's not because you're you its because you're playing bad.

[Not Known 15]

what happens when RC flips town?

The people to lynch are you, then Varsoon, and then MariaR - currently in this order. If you flip town then Varsoon and MariaR flip scum, Firebringer might still be the third scum - but that read isn't solid enough in that case to lynch Firebringer D4 in all cases(although with the current information Firebringer should come next).

[RadiantCowbells]

ok gamma
i'm gonna clear you because I doubt NSG would have you make this PT if you were buddies and at this point of thread avoidance with the varsoon wagon and their general interactions there's no way NSG is town anymore

gamma clear
mutant clear
rc clear
firebringer should be clear

nibbul probtown

nk15 leantown but not sure
chibi leantown but not sure

kokichi ? maybe leantown by varsoon interactions
mariar ?
elbirn ? maybe leanscum

think varsoon/nicorobin associatives make sense as buddies but this isn't a lock read

nsg scum
varsoon scum

[RadiantCowbells]

nk15 if you get me lynched you forfeit any control over the future lynches, sorry

it's varsoon then nsg

[RadiantCowbells]

elbirn dies for sure at some point ftr