[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[NotNova]

DVa (L-3)

: Egix96, Lamees, rb, NotNova

Leodanny (L-4)

: Persivul, Thor665, Auro

Auro (L-5)

: Dunnstral, Leodanny

YyottaCat (L-6)

: DVa

YyottaCat, InfernoDragon18, Something_Smart

VOTE: DVa

@Mod, V/LA until Thursday.

[NotNova]

Wanna sort this slot early, I know from experience I have difficulty gauging Auro's alignment properly.

Are you referring to the recent Dethy game?
Who else on this playerlist do you have completed games with?
How will an early wagon on me help you sort me?

Lamees, DVa, Yyotta, Thor, Malakittens, Egix and you, which is, what, half the playerlist?

As it happens I stalked a lot of your games — and I didn't do so well at guessing.

I wanna be cheeky and say "same way it does everyone else", but I'll be specific and say I want to see your reactions to a wagon building up on you.

I think Auro is townleaning with all the questioning ATM, don't like the non-serious content by DVa (ex. her last post). Agree it feels LAMIST, wanna see a push there.

[DVa]

My "non-serious content" is "LAMIST"?

VOTE: NotNova

[Leodanny]

It’s WIFOM LAMIST, right?

[Dunnstral]

Needs more buzzwords, let's make it WIFOM LAMIST with some ATE

[Something_Smart]

But we talk to each other based on the votes we make; does that not give enough reason to vote?

My point is that we'd talk just as well without votes...

Define "real"? What do you think of the content produced so far?

Real = a serious vote. I don't have any particular impressions of anyone. Tip for playing with me: you'll get way more mileage asking me for "thoughts on post X" than for "thoughts." I don't have time to write down all my thoughts and if I did they'd be all jumbled anyway.

I'm guessing that town!DVa would have appreciated the challenge of playing as town in a setup that she herself perceived to be imbalanced against that alignment. It's not a particularly strong tell, but it's a start.

Is DVa the type to do this? For me, the only reason I'd appreciate being town in a scumsided setup is to have an excuse for losing

Something_Smart, why have you not voted yet?

I don't usually feel like random voting, I don't think it's the votes that spark D1 discussion but just people talking to each other.

And I don't put down real votes often, especially early on. I find it leads to confbias as I'm asked to justify it, and I don't think most players are easier to read under pressure.

If you believe this why are all your other posts able to be quoted by going; "First, what?".
Shouldn't you be trying to drive some conversation?

I try never to force anything. If I don't have anything I want to talk about, I won't try to force myself to get people talking. So I won't ever make a post with the intent of "driving conversation." I'll make a post with the intent of "talking about X." And I'll do this when, and only when, such an X comes to my attention.

[Something_Smart]

LAMIST is a buzzword and a bullshit tell.

[Lamees]

WIFOM LAMIST with some ATE and OMGUS. For sure scum.

[rb]

wow so true imo

[rb]

VOTE: Lamees

wow trying so hard to be funny and relaxed like town but obvious scum imo

im so good at this game tbh wow

[Auro]

I think Auro is townleaning with all the questioning ATM

You've seen my scumgames and I questioned a lot in them, why does questioning earn me a townlean here?

[YyottaCat]

Oh no I'm late

[Auro]

don't like the non-serious content by DVa (ex. her last post). Agree it feels LAMIST, wanna see a push there.

DVa's non-serious content actually comes more from town!DVa from my knowledge of her; so that's NAI at worst.

Lamees was referring to her serious content about "rolling town in a scumsided game" as LAMIST (correct me if I'm wrong), not the other posts.

[Auro]

VOTE: Lamees

wow trying so hard to be funny and relaxed like town but obvious scum imo

im so good at this game tbh wow

You didn't like DVa's earlier posts enough to have a vote on her; why start a new wagon now and break momentum?

Do you not get similar vibes from Dunnstral?

[Auro]

VOTE: Yvotta

Same question as above - why'd you break the momentum on my wagon, shifting it to a slot that hadn't even posted till then? Are you towning me?

[Something_Smart]

...Momentum? In RVS?

[Auro]

RB's vote on DVa was not an RVS one.

Besides, some here believe that RVS wagon pressure actually elicits useful, perhaps sortable reactions; so I don't see any real reason to shift a vote from a null slot to a vanity slot which hasn't posted yet, as in DVa's case. Unless, of course, *she* thinks RVS wagons are useless (or is townreading me).

[DVa]

A new wagon in RVS isn't a "vanity slot" and I don't have to townread you to change votes to someone who isn't posting content yet.

[Auro]

Tip for playing with me: you'll get way more mileage asking me for "thoughts on post X" than for "thoughts." I don't have time to write down all my thoughts and if I did they'd be all jumbled anyway.

For starters, I'd like to hear your thoughts on:
DVa's "ugh I rolled town in a scumsided setup" posts;
NotNova's and Lamees' attack on DVa citing LAMIST;

Do you think the former is AI? Do you think the latter could be scum motivated?

[Auro]

A new wagon in RVS isn't a "vanity slot" and I don't have to townread you to change votes to someone who isn't posting content yet.

To me, voting on a zero-content slot looks like a vanity vote, not that you started a new wagon.
So you believe the RVS wagon on me is meaningless, and the pressure of me getting closer to lunch range isn't useful?

[Auro]

This game is gonna be slightly easier, no Not_Mafias or Mohabs to break our heads over

[Dunnstral]

LAMIST is a buzzword and a bullshit tell.

true

[Something_Smart]

For starters, I'd like to hear your thoughts on:
DVa's "ugh I rolled town in a scumsided setup" posts;
NotNova's and Lamees' attack on DVa citing LAMIST;

Do you think the former is AI?

Unlikely. Clearly she already held the opinion that the setup was scumsided, so she'd probably say something like this as scum as well as town.

Do you think the latter could be scum motivated?

Could be? Sure. But I think a lot of new players, town and scum, learn buzzwords like LAMIST and then apply them, and that post does fit the description of LAMIST although the belief that that description is reflective of alignment is false. (And I'm not trying to be patronizing here. It's just a trend; as you get more experienced you tend to realize when the buzzword concepts do and do not really apply.)

[Egix96]

It’s WIFOM LAMIST, right?

If it's "could be town, could be scum" then I think that means it's better to say it's NAI rather then WIFOM.

[Egix96]

*rather than, not rather then
ugh
In other news, I'm getting scummy vibes from Nova's push on Dva for some reason
Call me crazy for saying this but I think she's right in voting him back