Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Krazy]

Votecount 1.26

Mewtaph(3)

~ the worst(317), Irrelephant11(171), skitter30(153)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Performer(96), Kokichi Oma(110)

Not_Mafia(2)

~ Nauci(231), Mitillos(54)

Kokichi Oma(2)

~ Shoshin(174), Varsoon(143)

the worst(1)

~ Not_Mafia(31)

Performer(1)

~ AlmostNancy(435)

Creature(1)

~ Mewtaph(22)


Not Voting (3): Creature(128), Keyser Söze(99), Xtoxm(71)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-13 17:15:42)

FLAVOR

Spoiler:

[Nauci]

This is identical to some of the NM scum games I've seen (like 3/5?)

[Nauci]

Aren't ya glad I waited to let you pagetop

[Krazy]

I am :3

[Shoshin]

I don't like the idea of lynching Mew.

Can someone explain why the sudden townreads on Not_Mafia?

[Shoshin]

The only reason I see to think Not_Mafia is town is Koki expecting a town flip as if Koki knows what's coming. And that turns on Koki actually being scum, which isn't clear.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Irrelephant11]

There’s no reason I’ve seen for NM townreads
AN and KO are very sure he’s town though

[Irrelephant11]

Yeah okay
VOTE: Not_Mafia
“Play style” isn’t enough of a defense when many other players are just objectively townier

[AlmostNancy]

Nancy why aren't you voting?

???

I did.

You really are skipping my posts.

Oh I went by the last vc sorry
who are you voting for?

Spoiler:

Here he is making reads, asking questions and engaging - 3 things he really didn’t do in YGM.

I see the same things that are being done in his YGM and this game .

Note to self: sounds like a big misrep from AlmostNancy about Koki

But I'd still like to see a competing wagon on one of our other suspects.

I dont like the suggestion of this at all. Sounds like trying to fish for claims.

Like, accusing someone of 3 things they didn't do in a game where the host was, that's a big thing.
Though, I wouldn't sr someone based off one thing. A slot needs to be weighed against other things like meta, vote patterns, tone, clarity, presence, etc.

It's not as if I'm saying AN is scum just because of that . That's why this interaction is here for clearing it up .
I still disagree , it sounds like it's because we are seeing the same thing differently.

You're treating it like I was misrepping you AND saying you're scum , which isn't what I was getting at

Performer but I’d be willing to vote Mewtaph to avoid a no lynch, if someone can convince me that he’s a better wagon.

[AlmostNancy]

The only reason I see to think Not_Mafia is town is Koki expecting a town flip as if Koki knows what's coming. And that turns on Koki actually being scum, which isn't clear.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Why does scum!Kokichi hard townread NM, when he was the counterwagon? I honestly think NM is probably going to flip green.

Did you read his ISO? How is he not scumhunting here?

NM is probable mislynchbait here. After DnD and wrongly voting Lovebird and talking to RC (while I was hydraing in YGM), I’m extremely leery of voting, what looks to me as an obvious mislynchbaity wagon.

[Irrelephant11]

Who’s the scum who was voting NM before? Or now?

[Shoshin]

@Nancy

NM's "scumhunting" is much more superficial/petty than his usual scumhunting as town.

I understand that you're worried he's mislynch bait. But you can't just assume anyone who plays like NM is always mislynch bait. You have to learn how to read that type of player, because there are differences between town/scum.

I'm fairly good at reading these types of players. And in the past, I've strongly townread NM on the basis of one or two posts, in situations where nobody else saw it. I haven't been wrong about him yet. Is there any reason you think he's town here other than because RC told you to be careful about mislynching this type of player?

[Mitillos]

@AlNan: What exactly are you telling me there? Kokichi is not telling us his flavour nor explaining his reads in that post. He's just stalling. As for why he's townreading N_M, it's because the way we've been going there are three other viable wagons that can build up at a moment's notice: Performer, Xtoxm, and Mewtaph. He's trusting that we'll get off N_M, and also not go for himself, because of his (probably bullshit) claim.

[the worst]

this flashwagon isn't really all that flashy...comp is excellent tho

[Mitillos]

Hey, worst and skitter. I think Mewtaph's town. You should pick a new wagon. This N_M one is really cozy. A Performer one or a Kokichi one would be nice, too.

[skitter30]

i kinda want to lynch kokichi despite the claim
idk i'll keep an eye on this and vote not_mafia if needed but i'd prefer mew

p-edit

[skitter30]

Hey, worst and skitter. I think Mewtaph's town. You should pick a new wagon. This N_M one is really cozy. A Performer one or a Kokichi one would be nice, too.

i don't think he is

kinda want to lynch kokichi but i'd feel dumb as fuck actually lynching a day2 ic so like .... i think mechanically we wait till tomorrow even though i think he's prob scum

like i just said, i'll keep an eye on this and vote nm if needed

[the worst]

I'm about the same. I think NM is marginally more likely town than Mewtaph but I don't like townread either of them and will switch at EoD if needed

[Not_Mafia]

the worst and Vidal Sassoon are scum

[AlmostNancy]

@Nancy

NM's "scumhunting" is much more superficial/petty than his usual scumhunting as town.

I understand that you're worried he's mislynch bait. But you can't just assume anyone who plays like NM is always mislynch bait. You have to learn how to read that type of player, because there are differences between town/scum.

I'm fairly good at reading these types of players. And in the past, I've strongly townread NM on the basis of one or two posts, in situations where nobody else saw it. I haven't been wrong about him yet. Is there any reason you think he's town here other than because RC told you to be careful about mislynching this type of player?

His initial vote on Irrelephant11 was petty but he did give reasons for his tw vote, that didn’t seem petty to me. I’m not saying I agree with that vote, just that there wasn’t anything petty about his reasoning for that, IMO.

[AlmostNancy]

@Skitter, I have a message from A50 to you.

He told me to, tell you, to press ALT and it will be "high-key".

[AlmostNancy]

Can someone please explain to me why Performer is town? Thanks.

[Mitillos]

@AlNan: N_M has one post "explaining" why he's saying worst is scum, and even that one doesn't track. He voted Performer and Keyser, and has called worst and Varsoon scum, and the most he can say about any of those is that worst is scummy because he is paranoid about the gamestate (without even doing a minimal analysis of worst's post). There are over 2000 posts, and he has used exactly one to pretend to explain one of his current two reads. This is not scumhunting. This is just throwing shit around. There's nothing petty about his reasoning, because there is virtually no reasoning.

[AlmostNancy]

@AlNan: N_M has one post "explaining" why he's saying worst is scum, and even that one doesn't track. He voted Performer and Keyser, and has called worst and Varsoon scum, and the most he can say about any of those is that worst is scummy because he is paranoid about the gamestate (without even doing a minimal analysis of worst's post). There are over 2000 posts, and he has used exactly one to pretend to explain one of his current two reads. This is not scumhunting. This is just throwing shit around. There's nothing petty about his reasoning, because there is virtually no reasoning.

He found one of tw’s posts scummy. Again, not saying I agree with it but I still think it’s not petty. You have to sort players by individual meta. I get wrongly scumread all the time, for something that is completely NAI for me: ATEing and townread for derping - also NAI for me.

I think this is town!NM but if someone has a link to an NM scumgame, where he’s doing similar to what he’s doing here, I’ll reconsider but I really think he’s more likely than not flipping green.

[Not_Mafia]

without even doing a minimal analysis of worst's post

Nope