Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Shoshin]

Lack of original thinking and nuance

No real opinions.

Coasting since he got wagoned

Not pushing any scumreads

This basically feels like half his games as town. Is he doing anything here that is actually scummy for him?

lack of being townie

What specifically does he always do as town that he's not doing here?

has original, nuanced thoughts

has opinions (soemtimes controversial ones)

doesn't coast; keeps up the game

has scumreads and pushes them

He doesn't always do these things as town, so that's not a very good reason to scumread him. Why are you maintaining that scumread?

[AlmostNancy]

I've yet to incorrectly read NM, so maybe that will sway you, Nancy.

The problem with N_M is that he's not actually scumhunting. And when he's town, he actually scumhunts.

But that’s my issue, I disagree with you on this and in YGM, he did absolutely nothing and still flipped town.

[skitter30]

He doesn't always do these things as town, so that's not a very good reason to scumread him. Why are you maintaining that scumread?

because he did those things in the games i was just in and/or modded and he's not doing them here

(no i'm not about to meta him; i don't have time for that rn)

[Shoshin]

I've yet to incorrectly read NM, so maybe that will sway you, Nancy.

The problem with N_M is that he's not actually scumhunting. And when he's town, he actually scumhunts.

But that’s my issue, I disagree with you on this and in YGM, he did absolutely nothing and still flipped town.

There's a difference between N_M appearing to do nothing but actually thinking about the game in a meaningful way and N_M trying to appear like he's doing things while actually doing nothing.

Can you link YGM so I can see specifically what's on your mind here?

[AlmostNancy]

lol

I don't think Not_Mafia is a good D1 lynch

We need better alternatives

Creature’s most recent post on NM.

[AlmostNancy]

I've yet to incorrectly read NM, so maybe that will sway you, Nancy.

The problem with N_M is that he's not actually scumhunting. And when he's town, he actually scumhunts.

But that’s my issue, I disagree with you on this and in YGM, he did absolutely nothing and still flipped town.

There's a difference between N_M appearing to do nothing but actually thinking about the game in a meaningful way and N_M trying to appear like he's doing things while actually doing nothing.

Can you link YGM so I can see specifically what's on your mind here?

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[AlmostNancy]

He doesn't always do these things as town, so that's not a very good reason to scumread him. Why are you maintaining that scumread?

because he did those things in the games i was just in and/or modded and he's not doing them here

(no i'm not about to meta him; i don't have time for that rn)

I’m not opposed to lynching Mew but I still would like someone, first to explain to me, why Performer’s town?

[Mitillos]

@AlNan: Post 1853 came after post 1376, and lists N_M as a scumread. And in 1376 Creature was saying only to not lynch N_M today (something he repeated in post 1849). The context of all those posts and the ones around them seems to suggest that Creature was scumreading N_M throughout.

[Nauci]

I've yet to incorrectly read NM, so maybe that will sway you, Nancy.

The problem with N_M is that he's not actually scumhunting. And when he's town, he actually scumhunts.

Scum NM is frequently given clearance to coast and takes advantage of it

We gave him a lot of room here

Then when he's finally pressured I've seen mafia not mafia just start trolling really hard as a response because he hasn't actually paid attention

[AlmostNancy]

@AlNan: Post 1853 came after post 1376, and lists N_M as a scumread. And in 1376 Creature was saying only to not lynch N_M today (something he repeated in post 1849). The context of all those posts and the ones around them seems to suggest that Creature was scumreading N_M throughout.

ISO’d Creature, like I said and that was his most recent post. I honestly trust Kokichi’s NM read over his Shoshin read. He was beyond convinced Maria was scum in DnD, so I’m not seeing scum!Shoshin.

[Irrelephant11]

Kokichi’s scumreads are {me, Nauci, xtoxm, Shoshin, mewtaph}
Just for the record

[Mewtaph]

I still think Creature's trajectory on certain reads is unnatural and jerked by necessity of an anti-town PM.

@Nancy: His ISO just oozes with natural reactions. It's like an oasis fountain of him keeping things real from his perspective. No sudden movements, no suspicious movements. Just town!Performer doing his thing. Kokichi tends to read via pre-flip interactions instead of taking the time to read players individually.

[AlmostNancy]

Kokichi’s scumreads are {me, Nauci, xtoxm, Shoshin, mewtaph}
Just for the record

because i dont wanna lynch the others, performer maybe i could lynch. nauci i would lynch but no support, you i would lynch but no support

[Mewtaph]

He's willing to lynch Performer? Nah, don't trust his reads. His hot take on the game state is wrong, which is what typically happens when you try to force a hot take instead of interacting with the player you're bullshitting and ignoring through the hot take.

[AlmostNancy]

I still think Creature's trajectory on certain reads is unnatural and jerked by necessity of an anti-town PM.

@Nancy: His ISO just oozes with natural reactions. It's like an oasis fountain of him keeping things real from his perspective. No sudden movements, no suspicious movements. Just town!Performer doing his thing. Kokichi tends to read via pre-flip interactions instead of taking the time to read players individually.

I think his saying I “misrepped” Kokichi’s play, when I didn’t seemed like suspicious shading to me. I also didn’t care for his response to Shoshin.

[AlmostNancy]

He's willing to lynch Performer? Nah, don't trust his reads. His hot take on the game state is wrong, which is what typically happens when you try to force a hot take instead of interacting with the player you're bullshitting and ignoring through the hot take.

Well, of course you’re going to tell me that. He’s scumreading you. You’re obviously not going to agree with his reads regardless of your alignment.

[Nauci]

I've yet to incorrectly read NM, so maybe that will sway you, Nancy.

The problem with N_M is that he's not actually scumhunting. And when he's town, he actually scumhunts.

Scum NM is frequently given clearance to coast and takes advantage of it

We gave him a lot of room here

Then when he's finally pressured I've seen mafia not mafia just start trolling really hard as a response because he hasn't actually paid attention

If I wasn't busy cradeling Dwayen "The Cat" Johnson I'd try to link relevant game parts but I thought Mini Normal 2030 was peak scum NM and scum Creature play

[Nauci]

Weren't*

[Mitillos]

Loving your subjunctive mood.

[AlmostNancy]

He's willing to lynch Performer? Nah, don't trust his reads. His hot take on the game state is wrong, which is what typically happens when you try to force a hot take instead of interacting with the player you're bullshitting and ignoring through the hot take.

Can someone other than Mew explain why Performer is town?

‘Cause, this explanation isn’t doing much for me. Thanks.

[Mewtaph]

He's willing to lynch Performer? Nah, don't trust his reads. His hot take on the game state is wrong, which is what typically happens when you try to force a hot take instead of interacting with the player you're bullshitting and ignoring through the hot take.

Can someone other than Mew explain why Performer is town?

‘Cause, this explanation isn’t doing much for me. Thanks.

You need to actually ISO him and that isn't my explanation post.

[Mewtaph]

He's willing to lynch Performer? Nah, don't trust his reads. His hot take on the game state is wrong, which is what typically happens when you try to force a hot take instead of interacting with the player you're bullshitting and ignoring through the hot take.

Well, of course you’re going to tell me that. He’s scumreading you. You’re obviously not going to agree with his reads regardless of your alignment.

Still worth saying for parity that I think the rest of his scumreads along with me are totally off base.

[Mewtaph]

Can you help me understand why you're scumreading Mew?

Because. He isnt acting like last game. Tough to explain

You don't have an explanation.
For the record, the reason I'm defending Mew is because I just finished playing with him, and in trying to sort him as town/scum when he was one of the last 3 players in my poe (basically just like in this game), I decided to go and read a bunch of his games and I actually think I have a pretty good grasp on his meta, since I was able to correctly read him as town last time.
I don't believe for a second he played different than another town game, at least not in a way that makes him scummy.

Skitter just modded a game he was in. She scumreads him. He was town that game.

These are all facts, but skitter is being lazy on interacting with me properly so you're pushing the equivalent of a wagon built on reasoning well placed on the circus fair on the twelfth hour. It's like skitter and the worst shat in my lane, left it then are both acting surprised that I'm not willing to clean it up.

[skitter30]

explain how i'm being lazy in interacting with you, or how i 'shat in your lane, left it and then am acting surprised that you're not willing to clean it up'

(i don't even know what you mean by the latter)

[Mewtaph]

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Got kick back for posting the way I do.
Got kick back for pushing Xtoxm.
Got kick back for pushing Creature.

Honestly, whatever.