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Post Post #2425 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:26 am

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In post 2424, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think Saudade is scum.
If he's not then he's going to cost us the game either sheeping you or after you eventually get NK'd.

And that isn't even the point. I gave you a big fat piece of meat to sink your teeth into and give me something useful to work with, and all you do is tell me you don't "think" Saudade is Scum? I specifically said I didn't want the guts/tone reads anymore. I want a mechanical solution to the game.

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Post Post #2426 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:28 am

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In post 2425, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2424, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think Saudade is scum.
If he's not then he's going to cost us the game either sheeping you or after you eventually get NK'd.

And that isn't even the point. I gave you a big fat piece of meat to sink your teeth into and give me something useful to work with, and all you do is tell me you don't "think" Saudade is Scum? I specifically said I didn't want the guts/tone reads anymore. I want a mechanical solution to the game.
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Post Post #2427 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:37 am

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I’ve been saying what’s townie to me about him for days. I’m not gonna just flip my read. I know how he’s been playing, i know the cases made. I just don’t think he’s scum.
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Post Post #2428 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:06 pm

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I think ap's attitude towards this game as of right now makes him look towny. I'd say at least one of the people nero cain said was scum is actually scum, since I think he could be bussing a little to make himself seem innocent. I think rc is the scummiest one so far, because his tone is scummy and he is the third JOAT claim.
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Post Post #2429 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:15 pm

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Let me reiterate: I do not care about your individual reads at this point. What I want from you is a setup spec/balance check to help me figure out stuff. What should we expect (or not expect) for the remaining Scum powers. Could there be strongman/strong-willed modifiers on Scum kills? Are these (or either) even Normal? (Actually, I think Strongman is Normal for anti-Town but nor for Town. I have no idea about Strong-willed, but I guess I've just answered my own question as the point relates specifically to the "cannot be RB'd| bit which is true for both, so I guess Strongman is theoretically possible).

Are you following my logic yet? Do you get what I want to verify? Because if Scum have Strongman then neither Garmr nor RCE are "mechanically" cleared even, and that's regardless of my own "gut" read on either.
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Post Post #2430 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:16 pm

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^Obviously that was @FL
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Post Post #2431 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:20 pm

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In post 2428, xx2008 wrote:I think ap's attitude towards this game as of right now makes him look towny. I'd say at least one of the people nero cain said was scum is actually scum, since I think he could be bussing a little to make himself seem innocent. I think rc is the scummiest one so far, because his tone is scummy and he is the third JOAT claim.
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@FL: See? This is waht I'm getting at.

By tone/gut I would never even dream of lynching RCE. However, that's not the way I play late into the game. I go pure mechanical, and try to see how things work from a balancing perspective, consider my options and then go with the most likely to be the case at hand.

2 JOATs flipped. RCE might not be mechanically cleared. He even didn't do anything confirmable last night to begin with. I want to know how likely it is that RCE managed to fool me with his play and tone.
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Post Post #2432 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:26 pm

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I got your logic from the beginning.

I’m going over wagonomics right now.

I’m not sold on RCE town or RCE scum, but by play, I’m leaning town. 2 flipped Joats, not out of line for a third at this point
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Post Post #2433 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:16 pm

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In post 2425, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2424, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think Saudade is scum.
If he's not then he's going to cost us the game either sheeping you or after you eventually get NK'd.

And that isn't even the point. I gave you a big fat piece of meat to sink your teeth into and give me something useful to work with, and all you do is tell me you don't "think" Saudade is Scum? I specifically said I didn't want the guts/tone reads anymore. I want a mechanical solution to the game.
holy shit you're around who did you sub?
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Post Post #2434 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:26 pm

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In post 2425, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2424, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think Saudade is scum.
If he's not then he's going to cost us the game either sheeping you or after you eventually get NK'd.

And that isn't even the point. I gave you a big fat piece of meat to sink your teeth into and give me something useful to work with, and all you do is tell me you don't "think" Saudade is Scum? I specifically said I didn't want the guts/tone reads anymore. I want a mechanical solution to the game.
In post 2422, Flavor Leaf wrote:Xx - idk if Nero buses this hard, and I standby what I was saying with thinking Xx is town. I’m not entirely positive of this, but enough where I do not want to head there today.

Maxous - probably town based on RCE. Idk if that correlates to a SvS, plus there’s reasons he’s likely town based on play.

AP - hmm...probably town based on claim and general targets. Could be pulling the wool, but this is probably town.

FL - probably scum.

Saudade - this is dumb as scum, decent hiding spot, sure, but it’s pretty ride or die. He also gave paranoia on Sephiroth wagon, and then Seph targeted me with his shot confirming himself as town to me, so I’m town reading here.

RCE - I guess this could be scum fakeclaiming, but no point in dealing with that right now. If this is scum, Maxous is still likely town.

Jason - possible scum. Could just be lost town.

Garmr - possible scum, could just be projecting town, but gut says town.

Shatt - scum who’s been coasting.


We have like 2 or 3 scum left, probably 2, I’m leaning Shatt and one of my town reads probably
lol why does everyone get a "possible" tag when I just get a scum.
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Post Post #2435 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:30 pm

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In post 2429, AP wrote: Are you following my logic yet? Do you get what I want to verify? Because if Scum have Strongman then neither Garmr nor RCE are "mechanically" cleared even, and that's regardless of my own "gut" read on either.
what would make them clear anyway without the strongman?

You meam the disloyal rb stuff? I think theres more than 1 scum left so it doesn't really matter anyway
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Post Post #2436 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:32 pm

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VOTE: Saudade
Beep boop

I didn't know it was no maj = no lynch last day phase
Prob should talk FL out,of his ass and get saudade to vote himself
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Post Post #2437 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:07 pm

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AP what were your targets in order?
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Post Post #2438 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:26 pm

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None of you sound like you actually believe im scum
Passion or coincidence once prompted you to say
"Pride will tear us both apart"
Well, now pride's gone out the window
Cross the rooftops, run away
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Post Post #2439 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:27 pm

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Funny because if I were scum town would most certainly lose
Passion or coincidence once prompted you to say
"Pride will tear us both apart"
Well, now pride's gone out the window
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Post Post #2440 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:30 pm

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Last three Nero scumgames I could find:

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Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

viewtopic.php?t=76181&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go
- Bussed his partner maria and spent most of his time SvS'ing with her before replacing out D1

Mini Theme 2001: Mafia Month [game over]

viewtopic.php?t=75571&f=54&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
- Aside from lightly shading profii at one point, nero kind of just ignores his partners all game

[Mini 1987] Snowman's Bad Idea Mafia: Aliens [GG]

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- Votes and cases his partner eevee but then moves onto other people and never pushes his partners after that


Generally speaking, Nero doesn't bus hard. Fallout Mafia was probably an outlier, because his partner happened to be mariar, and it's hard to say how Nero would've moved his vote around if he had stayed in the game. So RCE and xx are both probably town, more confident on RCE since Nero seemed to push mostly him.

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Townreading Max as well. A few of Nero's posts read like buddying Max.

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In post 1847, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1757, Performer wrote:I’ll go Maxous / xx / Saudade in that order
There is only one scum here and its not Max or Saunde.
In post 1852, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1830, profii wrote:lets see how maxous and nero play out
So you can stop with your shitty T/T false dilemma.
In post 1884, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1873, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 1867, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1865, RCEnigma wrote:I guess win town points with FL, who likely doesn't make it to tomorrow anyways
He's also gonna be protected so thanks for letting us know you guys have a strongman.

VOTE: RCEnigma
You would have to know we have a protective to make this statement.
In post 1875, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1873, RCEnigma wrote:You would have to know we have a protective to make this statement.
both jailkeeper and bodyguard are protectives and it's just a safe general assumption to assume that there is protection. But yeah, protection ablities have already been claimed anyways.
What are your feelings on this Max?
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Post Post #2441 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:33 pm

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Still think Shattiel is town based on Flubber's push and tmi

Is AP still town
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Post Post #2442 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:07 am

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You can see Shat is scum simply because in his vote and the post prior he doesnt specify why am I scum (because hes exploiting an opportunity here while under pressurr) but hes focused on defending himself.
Passion or coincidence once prompted you to say
"Pride will tear us both apart"
Well, now pride's gone out the window
Cross the rooftops, run away
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Post Post #2443 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:07 am

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Checkm8
Passion or coincidence once prompted you to say
"Pride will tear us both apart"
Well, now pride's gone out the window
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Post Post #2444 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:52 am

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In post 2442, Saudade wrote:You can see Shat is scum simply because in his vote and the post prior he doesnt specify why am I scum (because hes exploiting an opportunity here while under pressurr) but hes focused on defending himself.
W-Wait.. Y-YOU HAVE YOUR OWN OPINIONS!??
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Post Post #2445 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:54 am

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In post 2441, ofrhz wrote:Still think Shattiel is town based on Flubber's push and tmi

Is AP still town
some thoughts on garmr as well I checked that he had some conversations with the flipped scums
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Post Post #2446 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:57 am

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In post 2444, Shattiel wrote:
In post 2442, Saudade wrote:You can see Shat is scum simply because in his vote and the post prior he doesnt specify why am I scum (because hes exploiting an opportunity here while under pressurr) but hes focused on defending himself.
W-Wait.. Y-YOU HAVE YOUR OWN OPINIONS!??
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which you didnt reply to at all in this opportunity you just had, because you cant.
Passion or coincidence once prompted you to say
"Pride will tear us both apart"
Well, now pride's gone out the window
Cross the rooftops, run away
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Post Post #2447 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:58 am

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and yes I can steamroll peasants when I want to
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Post Post #2448 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:06 am

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In post 2446, Saudade wrote:
In post 2444, Shattiel wrote:
In post 2442, Saudade wrote:You can see Shat is scum simply because in his vote and the post prior he doesnt specify why am I scum (because hes exploiting an opportunity here while under pressurr) but hes focused on defending himself.
W-Wait.. Y-YOU HAVE YOUR OWN OPINIONS!??
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which you didnt reply to at all in this opportunity you just had, because you cant.
Yup. I didn't.
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Post Post #2449 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:07 am

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Not like theres really anything in your iso you're just all sheep after all

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