Mini 2039: uPicketyPicketyPick Mafia Endgame

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I still kinda wanna see what your modifiers are

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll read his modifiers when the mod posts the flip

Note that most of the modifiers worth including (ninja/strongman) are scum focused

[Varsoon]

btw I still kinda wanna see what your modifiers are

Look forward to it.

I'll read his modifiers when the mod posts the flip

Note that most of the modifiers worth including (ninja/strongman) are scum focused

Yeah and creating PTs that help collude people into triple votes sure is town focused aye aye

[RadiantCowbells]

"wow this role if scum would let scum either basically have majority on their own or essentially require them to only pocket one town for majority, this role seems very balanced"

[RadiantCowbells]

"hi I'm jjh927 I look forward to answering a fuck ton of hatemail for giving the best scum player on the site the ability to chain force lynches by pocketing only one player"

[RadiantCowbells]

But that isn't going to change your read on me because you're not really reading me, you're just pointing and yelling scum in the hopes that you can win by volume.

[Varsoon]

They could always just not vote with you, it could not work in LYLO/MYLO, it could not work when the rest of a wagon has scum on it
You know
All fixes for the same sort of role that I've put in my own games and given to scum multiple times.

[Kokichi Oma]

well if we aren't lynching anyone, when is the next mini game

@mod

do a luck based one u coward

[RadiantCowbells]

well if we aren't lynching anyone, when is the next mini game

@mod

do a luck based one u coward

Vote Varsoon

[Kokichi Oma]

i'll be here before end of day. i think we have a day yet. i understand you guys are doing your 1v1 thing. which has taken prob 50 pages on its own

[RadiantCowbells]

I tried to postpone it. Varsoon reinstigated it.

[RadiantCowbells]

In a way that, have I mentioned, doesn't make sense with his claimed role? Why does a supposedly "likely day 3 IC" pick a fight on day one highly likely to get them mis?lynched when most of the game had already agreed to lynch me if he flipped IC?

[Varsoon]

i'll be here before end of day. i think we have a day yet. i understand you guys are doing your 1v1 thing. which has taken prob 50 pages on its own

Nah, we had a good 10+ pages where we both pushed other reads.
RC continued to be really scummy, I tried to olive-branch it and stay passive, but eh, nah
He's still my top scumread and a lynch there solves a lot for us
Dunno why he wants to characterize it as a 1v1, either, 'cus I'm talking to other players and outright saying I'll even vote to lynch on other players.
Well I guess I do know
It's because he's scum and the more he calls it a 1v1, the less chance he might have of catching an L for it.

[RadiantCowbells]

We're long past the point of lynching anyone else.

[Varsoon]

In a way that, have I mentioned, doesn't make sense with his claimed role? Why does a supposedly "likely day 3 IC" pick a fight on day one highly likely to get them mis?lynched when most of the game had already agreed to lynch me if he flipped IC?

Same thing I've been saying for days by the way

If Varsoon is town who is going to be confirmed why does he not wait to be confirmed and use that confirmation to lynch me?

My confirmation only confirms me as town.
Your scum play throughout the day phase is what confirms you as scum.
You, yourself, are the one who's been insisting that my IC could be very delayed, as a reason to lynch me,
Which indicates that this isn't a defense that town-you would ever take as reasonable.
You've proven you're thinking from a scum PoV.

Follow the logic here:

If town, RC's complaint about my claim is that it potentially delays my IC confirmation to day 7.
If town, though, that's no defense for RC to say 'just lynch me when you are confirmed as IC'.

As scum, though, RC using the delayed IC confirmation to day 7 as a rationale for pushing my lynch NOW before I even get a single shot at it makes plenty of sense.
As scum, RC saying 'Just lynch me when Varsoon confirms' makes plenty of sense if he thinks my IC confirm won't even come out during the rest of the game.

@Anyone with more RC meta knowledge than me: Does RC usually make these sorts of circular arguments, where he just keeps coming back to the same point over and over and over and over and never engages with the refutation of those points? It's something that I scumread heavily, regardless, just wanna know if there's some precedent for this kinda thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I know that when you get to L2 you're gonna make a show of jumping off again and portraying yourself as the reasonable one but nah.

[RadiantCowbells]

As scum, RC saying 'Just lynch me when Varsoon confirms' makes plenty of sense if he thinks my IC confirm won't even come out during the rest of the game.

How do I know when your "ic confirmation" is gonna come out?

[Firebringer]

even if rc is scum he wouldn't know if ur IC claim is legitimate or not tbh

[Varsoon]

I also don't think that my confirmation of IC makes RC a must-lynch slot. RC's play is what should be judged, not their juxtaposition to me as confirmed town.

[SNIP]

Once again, there's a hard difference between believing I am IC and trusting in that and thinking RC must be scum. The two ideas are vaguely related but each exists independently.

Big yawns.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't know your supposed role.

You're saying I'm scum because I somehow knew you weren't gonna be confirmed till day 7 but how was I possibly supposed to deduce that little bit of info? Unless you're just scum who needs to conveniently avoid the fact that I set myself down an awful trajectory if you were telling the truth about being likely conftown on D2 or D3.

[Firebringer]

lets talk about waffles.
should i get some?

[Varsoon]

even if rc is scum he wouldn't know if ur IC claim is legitimate or not tbh

He'd be worried about it enough to make this play around it where
1. Lynch me Day 1 unless I agree to wait to 3 and then he gets to wait to 3.
2. He knows it's not assured I confirm by 3, so if the gamble pays off that I'm not, he gets away with a lynch on me on D3.
3. If I do confirm my Day 3, he then can argue that I was just 'playing really scummy and not how an IC would play' to slink away from catching a lynch for pushing a lynch on an IC

So yeah it's basically scum PoV RC every time.

[Varsoon]

Town RC sees that claim, goes "Oh cool if it's not confirmed or dead by LYLO I can lynch it with fire" and then proceeds to scumhunt elsewhere
Easy.

[Varsoon]

lets talk about waffles.
should i get some?

Only if syrup is involved.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also claiming that you're playing terribly and that justifies making terrible decisions on an in game basis is not a refutation.

So yeah it's basically scum PoV RC every time.

If you stretch really hard you've argued that it's maybe plausible that I am scum. Nothing justifies the juxtaposition between literally accusing me of trust telling and still scumreading me.