Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[AlmostNancy]

Vig actually makes sense. I dont see sk killing creature. Hes a potential mislynch

Creature wasn't a potential mislynch. Not even close.

Performer, Mewtaph and I can’t remember who else, didn’t townread him.

Like Irrelephant11 was obviously the scumkill and since Creature was EVEN night vig, he obviously didn’t visit anyone, so you’re thinking what - he’s an SK kill?

So, if no odd night vig, or odd night scumdoc, how do you think scum killed a PGO and lived?

Why would scum target Creature? If you’re thinking that there’s a bp SK in the setup, then why would scum kill Creature, unless they were afraid, he’d eventually figure it out?

If Creature wasn’t vig or SK kill, that doesn’t look very good for the worst, if he’s the scum kill.

But then we’re back to why tf would SK ever kill Creature here?

[AlmostNancy]

Vig actually makes sense. I dont see sk killing creature. Hes a potential mislynch

Creature wasn't a potential mislynch. Not even close.

Performer, Mewtaph and I can’t remember who else, didn’t townread him.

Like Irrelephant11 was obviously the scumkill and since Creature was EVEN night vig, he obviously didn’t visit anyone, so you’re thinking what - he’s an SK kill?

So, if no odd night vig, or odd night scumdoc, how do you think scum killed a PGO and lived?

Why would scum target Creature? If you’re thinking that there’s a bp SK in the setup, then why would scum kill Creature, unless they were afraid, he’d eventually figure it out?

If Creature wasn’t vig or SK kill, that doesn’t look very good for the worst, if he’s the scum kill.

But then we’re back to why tf would SK ever kill Creature here?

Sorry, that was meant for Shoshin, not Kokichi obviously.

[the worst]

The fuck

[AlmostNancy]

Why assume another vig instead of an sk?

Like I hope there are still tpr but I think every other night stuff is usually to balance roles and have hardly ever seen there be even and odd for the same thing

How does scum kill a PGO and still live then?

If we think creature got vigged, which seems the most likely option, then town has 3 different killing roles. Scum would surely have a protective of their own in this case, and opted to remove the pgo before they risk their protective getting lynched. I suppose it's theoretically possible the odd night vig killed irre and had protection from the odd night doc, but this seems less likely to me.

I'm sad that one of my 2 solid reads in this game appears to have been vigged.

Yeah, me too and I’m even sadder if town continues to have their heads up their asses because they townlock anyone prematurely.

I bet money that if NM suspected another lhf or maybe even me, no one would completely dismiss his reads. He seemed pretty convinced that tw and Varsoon are scum. I don’t understand how anyone who actually cares about winning this game, would completely dismiss the possibility he could possibly be right.

[the worst]

That's what's doing my head in about NM's townflip. Like he genuinely cared about those reads but I haven't seen him tunnelled on me as scum d1 like that (and I'm also coming around on Varsoon being town)...especially like over one post? When he first said it I was like "hey maybe this is town!NM" but when he refused to elaborate or reconsider anything I assumed he just randomly picked us.

[AlmostNancy]

That's what's doing my head in about NM's townflip. Like he genuinely cared about those reads but I haven't seen him tunnelled on me as scum d1 like that (and I'm also coming around on Varsoon being town)...especially like over one post? When he first said it I was like "hey maybe this is town!NM" but when he refused to elaborate or reconsider anything I assumed he just randomly picked us.

It didn’t look remotely “random” to me. He was 100% convinced on you being lockscum and confident but less sure on Varsoon, as I read it, anyhow.

[the worst]

yeah tell me about it

[AlmostNancy]

without even doing a minimal analysis of worst's post

Nope

Here he is disputing Militos’ accusation of him not doing a “minimal analysis” of tw’s posts. No, nothing about his read on either Varsoon but especially you, were random.

the worst is obvscum

Varsoon could be

The third is your mum

[Shoshin]

I think NM was trolling us. He can do that sometimes, I guess.

In terms of the kills, there's three possibilities: town has another killing role, there's a third party killer, or mafia had two killing powers.

I think the onlyl people who suspected Creature were scummy players -- Performer, Mew -- and Creature wasn't actually on the table as a mislynch at any point. So I don't see his kill coming from town unless one of Performer/Mew is a townie that killed him (and if they are, they should claim ASAP because they're top suspects for lynching today either way).

[AlmostNancy]

I've yet to incorrectly read NM, so maybe that will sway you, Nancy.

The problem with N_M is that he's not actually scumhunting. And when he's town, he actually scumhunts.

This post, makes me want to FIGURATIVELY smack someone.

[Shoshin]

I was wrong. Get over it.

[AlmostNancy]

I think NM was trolling us. He can do that sometimes, I guess.

In terms of the kills, there's three possibilities: town has another killing role, there's a third party killer, or mafia had two killing powers.

I think the onlyl people who suspected Creature were scummy players -- Performer, Mew -- and Creature wasn't actually on the table as a mislynch at any point. So I don't see his kill coming from town unless one of Performer/Mew is a townie that killed him (and if they are, they should claim ASAP because they're top suspects for lynching today either way).

Are you even planning to address the obvious

elephant

duck in the room, or maybe you’re not really town here?

Because town!Shoshin, isn’t shy about investigating EVERY single possibility. When does town!Shoshin ever ignore the extremely confident reads of a dead townie?

[Xtoxm]

I mean I'm assuming Mewtaph is the odd night vig. He might as well claim if so, it's that obvious...

[AlmostNancy]

I was wrong. Get over it.

If you mean, I’ll be ignoring your reads in this game, show me why tf I shouldn’t?

You help push through a mislynch - one that Kokichi and I told you would flip green and now, you inexplicably townlock that mislynch’s strongest scumread?

[the worst]

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The way he randomly tunnelled someone who is pretty clearly town reminded me of his Mathdino tunnel this time we played together by end of day. He's definitely trolled this way as scum before.

[Shoshin]

VOTE: AlmostNancy

Her belief that NM would flip town didn't have any connection with the reality of the game.

[AlmostNancy]

I mean I'm assuming Mewtaph is the odd night vig. He might as well claim if so, it's that obvious...

Why do you think Mewtaph is odd night vig? but he definitely should claim, if you’re right.

[Shoshin]

When does town!Shoshin ever ignore the extremely confident reads of a dead townie?

Remember when I let a confirmed townie die because I thought their reads were wrong? You know better than to wonder why I'm ignoring the reads of a dead townie. Why are you questioning me for things you shouldn't ever be questioning me for?

[Shoshin]

I think Performer/Mew are the only townies who would have killed Creature. If either claims responsibility for killing Creature, I'm fine leaving them alive as long as they agree to be leashed.

[Mitillos]

Well, Performer topped his terrible unannounced L-1 with an even more terrible claimless hammer.
VOTE: Performer

@AlNan: We may have been wrong about N_M, but he didn't do much in the way of towntelling. And his nope at me was not about the minimal analysis. He corrected himself, and said he meant to nope another part of my post (quoted in yours, making it even messier and harder to follow the conversation). But he definitely didn't do any analysis. He gave basically no explanation as to his worst scumread, except for quoting one post and calling it scummy.

@Shoshin: By the same argument, neither did Kokichi's townread on N_M track. I think AlNan was just townreading N_M correctly (though I'd argue it was for a bad reason), and isn't necessarily scummy for it.

[AlmostNancy]

VOTE: AlmostNancy

Her belief that NM would flip town didn't have any connection with the reality of the game.

I’m 100% flipping town here and you voting me over NM’s strongest scumreads or anyone outside of your townlost, makes me think Kokichi might be right about you being scum. I honestly didn’t think so, just that it was possible before this vote.

I couldn’t be more obvtown and was sure because I was right about NM, and wrongly assumed Irrelephant11 was off the table, that I wasn’t going to make it to D2.

So, Shoshin/tw/Varsoon, possible scumteam?

Bookmark it, after my flip.

Cuz I guarandamntee you won’t be happy with my flip - unless you’re actually scum here - then of course, you’ll be thrilled.

[Mitillos]

Also, the flavour of the deaths is interesting. They were both "shot", and we can see that both were Terran and used bullets (with the flavour "shot"). From what I can gather, the other factions in the videogame are aliens, and presumably wouldn't use bullets. Does this mean that either 1) only town killed anyone, or 2) scum are also Terran?

[the worst]

So, Shoshin/tw/Varsoon, possible scumteam?

This almost always has at least two town in it Nancy. Please be reasonable. NM wasn't night killed out of fear of his reads. He was lynched because he looked like a scumfuck and >half the list agreed.

[Shoshin]

@Shoshin: By the same argument, neither did Kokichi's townread on N_M track. I think AlNan was just townreading N_M correctly (though I'd argue it was for a bad reason), and isn't necessarily scummy for it.

Koki isn't Nancy. Town Koki throws out random townreads for reasons that don't have any connection with reality; town Nancy doesn't. Why isn't Nancy scummy for townreading NM? Is there something about her play in other games that makes you think she'd townread NM in that situation? My sense is the opposite, at least based on the sorts of players she scumread in Labyrinth (e.g. TP letters, Chick, Angel, etc.).

[Shoshin]

the worst, Nancy is scum. Please trust me on this.