Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

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Votecount 2.2

Performer(4)

~ Nauci(12), Xtoxm(3), Mitillos(4), the worst(18)

AlmostNancy(1)

~ Shoshin(31)


Not Voting (7): Keyser Söze(6), Mewtaph(0), skitter30(2), Kokichi Oma(18), Varsoon(2), AlmostNancy(57), Performer(3)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

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[Kokichi Oma]

Best part about Irre dying is him seeing I'm town in dead thread

Anyone in this game - including scum - could make this statement.

As town, you shouldn’t be happy about a townie dying - even if you think they were wrongly scumreading you.

This is pinging me a bit. Hmmm . . .

This is awful. Your scum equity keeps rising.

[Performer]

Performer/Mew/Creature were voting Creature. I don't see those players actually defending NM, though. They're not looking for town credit. Then there's Koki. He's throwing out townreads on NM, in the same way he tends to play as either alignment. It's null for him. And then there's Nancy, strongly calling NM ton for reasons that don't square at all with her normal way of thinking as town. It's completley out of character for her. And then she opens D2 suddenly trying to discredit me for the rest of the game because of one mislynch and casting suspicion on me for things that she'd never suspect me for as town (i.e. ignoring NM's reads). To me, that feels like scum who is trying to take advantage of the fact that they townread a mislynched player while trying to create more mislynching options among players who were strongly townread on D1. It's the ideal scum strategy of breaking up the strong town core of myself, the worst, Nauci, especially now that Irrelephant is dead and he's not around to defend me anymore.

That's where I'm at. I have a difficult time ever seeing Nancy flip town here. If nobody wants to lynch her until LYLO, fine, whatever. I'll be pushing her until she's dead.

Been rereading the last few pgs and I can agree on some of the thought process here. But I wasn't voting creat & I think creat unvoted .

[Kokichi Oma]

Best part about Irre dying is him seeing I'm town in dead thread

This actually feels townish, though Koki is good enough to fake it.

I can fake it. At best its NAI. Which is why I think its scummy by Alnan

[Nauci]

Why assume another vig instead of an sk?

Like I hope there are still tpr but I think every other night stuff is usually to balance roles and have hardly ever seen there be even and odd for the same thing

How does scum kill a PGO and still live then?

If we think creature got vigged, which seems the most likely option, then town has 3 different killing roles. Scum would surely have a protective of their own in this case, and opted to remove the pgo before they risk their protective getting lynched. I suppose it's theoretically possible the odd night vig killed irre and had protection from the odd night doc, but this seems less likely to me.

I'm sad that one of my 2 solid reads in this game appears to have been vigged.

This is absurd

There's no way that there's 4 killing roles? We could've had decided lylo or something lol

[Nauci]

then why would scum kill Creature

Scum frequently hunt for to n1

[Nauci]

I mean I'm assuming Mewtaph is the odd night vig. He might as well claim if so, it's that obvious...

???

[Nauci]

I was wrong. Get over it.

If you mean, I’ll be ignoring your reads in this game, show me why tf I shouldn’t?

You help push through a mislynch - one that Kokichi and I told you would flip green and now, you inexplicably townlock that mislynch’s strongest scumread?

???

She and others have town locked tw for a long time

Also I'm not sure if most people have ever put that much stock in NM's reads :/

But this game did teach me a little on how to read him I think

I just assume he's kinda trolling most of the time to preserve his impossible to read meta

[Performer]

i don't really have a reason for not_mafia either way; he's *slightly* on the townie side of null but i always want him resolved before lylo

like i wont' object to his lynch, but i wont' particularly go out of my way to make it happen tho; i feel like lynching not_mafia is kinda like a *disappointing* ending to a day this long and would prefer to lynch someone i actually think is scummy tho

This is how I would have expected town Nancy to react to NM if she thought he was townish. Compared with Skitter, Nancy's certainty that NM was going to flip town just doesn't make any sense.

Because Shoshin, I agreed with NM. I honestly don’t think the worst is town here. Another reason, why I unvoted Performer. Something is really off about him this game. NM could see it and I think Performer too.

I can read town!theworst. And I honestly don’t think this is him. You really aren’t as good at reading people like you think. I too thought NM was trolling initially when he made that ridiculous Irrelephant11 vote but his tw vote was neither bad nor petty. You said he wasn’t scumhunting and you were clearly wrong about that. I tried to tell you, so, did Kokichi and Skitter but you just ignored it and I’ll be damned, if I’m going to allow you to lose this game for us, due to mistaken tunnel vision.

Hey, guys.. A50 here.

can you please lynch Koki & Shoshin after we flip?

Also, tw is very likely town despite of Nancy not liking his play.

Please remember to lynch Koki & Shoshin after we are confirmed. Thank you.

Over to you, Nancy.

I don't get it. One post is saying one thing and the other tells us something else??...

[Nauci]

You help push through a mislynch - one that Kokichi and I told you would flip green and now

I can't fathom your motivation or perspective for declaring so confidently that NM was town, or that there's something dramatically telling about whether or not someone's day 1 read on an infamously unreadable player. Town aren't afraid to mislynch; it's a matter of how hard we tried to figure out who was scum, even if we're not wrong?

Like, aren't scum more likely to be on successful d1 scum lynches than town lynches?

[Performer]

I just assume he's kinda trolling

Nm was scummy as hell.
I dont think he was trolling though . I need reevaluate his 2 ending reads .

I need to reevaluate a lot of things because I sure was wrong about nm .

[Nauci]

you’re voting for someone who actually tried to stop a mislynch

1: so many lynches were on the table yesterday that arguing dramatically against any one of them wouldn't at all mean there wouldn't be a mislynch of someone else

2: scum usually keep NM and other lynchbaity players alive for longer because it gives them lots of cover, and especially try to drive paranoia about townier people in earlier days

[Nauci]

B) you’re completely ignoring NM’s extremely confident reads. It’s not like you actually seriously considered it and LOGICALLY decided against it, you won’t even consider the possibility for a nanosecond.

Have you not played with NM much?

Like, you'd have to link me several games where NM tunneled people as town and was accurate

It'd have to outnumber the times he tunneled people as scum for me to understand why you think it's so ridiculous for people to have scum read him yesterday AND that we should put so much weight into his reads as town

[Nauci]

Performer is by far the scummiest player this game.

Is this based just on those 2 awful votes or other stuff in his posts? If the latter, what stuff?

[Nauci]

She’s either scum herself or pocketed.

I've seen town shoshin appear to tunnel town hard until something finally convinced her otherwise though

[Nauci]

the worst, Nancy is scum. Please trust me on this.

I actually think you may possibly be clueless town here afterall because you wouldn’t want to be responsible for pushing 2 mislynches back to back.

Because, no one in this game will townread you after my flip. So if you’re actually town here, you don’t want to be the 3rd mislynch following me, I hope?

Are you townreading this defense, the worst? It's entirely fear-based reasoning (i.e. "don't lynch me because when I flip town you're going to be mislynched too"). Extremely manipulative.

I think that so many of her posts have had this sort of AtE nature that it's a playstyle thing

[Nauci]

@Shoshin: I can answer why she townread N_M, and I already did (because she already explained it, herself). I cannot answer whether her reasoning fits her town meta. As for throwing shade at your slot, tempers are high, what with us lynching a doctor. I can accept such things as coming from town generally. If Nancy is not capable of these things as town, that's another story, but I don't have the meta for this suggestion.
When I made reference to empty "he's town" posts, I didn't mean just those words. I meant half-hearted non-effort at explaining or defending N_M. I'm defending her because I think that your reasoning for scumreading her is fallacious. I don't like fallacious reasoning. I don't like fallacious reasoning even when it comes to a conclusion I agree with. In fact, as town I once defended another player against fallacious accusations, and made my own case against him in the same post (and caught a lot of flak for doing this).

@AlNan: No, I honestly don't think there is anything there indicating Shoshin-scum. Her attack on you can easily come from town, and is not completely unreasonable. I just think that you're town and that she's honestly mistaken.

You and reundo need to play together

(That's a compliment)

[Nauci]

Like, let's recap the end of D1. You've got multiple townies pushing NM (me, Irrelephant, the worst, Nauci). There's no scum on the wagon at this point. With a bunch of strong town voices pushing NM, why would scum vote him? Why not let town implode on itself while townreading him? That's my first thought looking back. So I'm looking to see who was avoiding the wagon and why. Performer/Mew/Creature were voting Creature. I don't see those players actually defending NM, though. They're not looking for town credit. Then there's Koki. He's throwing out townreads on NM, in the same way he tends to play as either alignment. It's null for him. And then there's Nancy, strongly calling NM ton for reasons that don't square at all with her normal way of thinking as town. It's completley out of character for her. And then she opens D2 suddenly trying to discredit me for the rest of the game because of one mislynch and casting suspicion on me for things that she'd never suspect me for as town (i.e. ignoring NM's reads). To me, that feels like scum who is trying to take advantage of the fact that they townread a mislynched player while trying to create more mislynching options among players who were strongly townread on D1. It's the ideal scum strategy of breaking up the strong town core of myself, the worst, Nauci, especially now that Irrelephant is dead and he's not around to defend me anymore.

That's where I'm at. I have a difficult time ever seeing Nancy flip town here. If nobody wants to lynch her until LYLO, fine, whatever. I'll be pushing her until she's dead.

IDK if Nancy is scum but shoshin is town here, final answer

[Nauci]

Didn’t expect Relly and Creature to die... but think their deaths help out our PoE.

Did literally anyone have Irrelephant in their poe

[Kokichi Oma]

i'm strongly considering it

I double dog dare you

[Shoshin]

You’re missing the point. He quoted a very similar post by me and implied it was scummy. It’s the hypocrisy part of it, which pinged me.

I dunno. Hypocrisy is usually town unless there's a clear scum motive.

Why is it usually town?

Scum tend to be more self-conscious of what they're doing, which tends to make them more self-aware of acting hypocritically. Scum act hypocritically when they're pushing an agenda, but otherwise hypocrisy usually comes from town.

[Shoshin]

I've seen town shoshin appear to tunnel town hard until something finally convinced her otherwise though

Yeah, pretty much. I push a lot of things that I don't actually believe in with the intent of testing reactions & refining reads across the board.

[Nauci]

You know who else had conviction? NM. *mic drop*

You have some awful lines of logic

Not everyone is NM. Not everyone behaves or thinks like NM. Shoshin or TW or you having conviction means something entirely different than a player who is as readable as tea leaves

It's like all of your posts have the logic of saying Burt Reynolds must be a Nazi because you know who else had a moustache? Hitler.

[Nauci]

I think this is the most obvtown I've been except maybe for out synergy in Labyrinth?

Don't know anything about labyrinth but this is the towniest that you have ever towned

And I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of scum you after having managed to dunk it that many times

[Shoshin]

Hey, guys.. A50 here.

can you please lynch Koki & Shoshin after we flip?

Also, tw is very likely town despite of Nancy not liking his play.

Please remember to lynch Koki & Shoshin after we are confirmed. Thank you.

Over to you, Nancy.

It's pretty odd that A50 is suddenly calling for my lynch. It's also odd that he's this worried about getting lynched when I'm the only person voting their slot and everyone I've interacted with up to this point was defending them against me.