A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Vecna]

Although neither of these options is feeling pretty good right about now

[Vecna]

I keep coming back to the thing that there was no kill N4.

And I still see no explanation for it, besides me saving Firebringer. Or scum choosing to no-kill or whatever, but when does that ever realistically happen. Me saving Firebringer means Jingle is lying. Scum no-killing involves some kind of rediculous plan that only very few people in this game would come up with. Either case, id expect this to point towards Jingle.

Just looking at our lynch options for today:

IF Jingle is town,his flip will give us the easy path to victory. We lynch Aristo the next day, and look for the slot that can be the redirector or whatever else caused the No kill N4.

However, If Jingle is scum here - WE NEED TO KNOW NOW, TODAY - because this means pretty much anyone can be his partner, and it can even mean that Shoshin is scum as well. If Jingle is scum, we do NOT know whether a redirector even exists. Porkens-slot could be town then telling the truth. GE could be scum. LA could be scum. Heck, even creature could be scum with a 7th scummember for balance.

Im getting the feeling this play to lynch Aristo and get Porkens slot is just Jingle's last ditch effort to drag as many town with him, so his hidden partner(s) can win.

If Jingle is town here, we still learn a fuckton by lynching him, and we have a guaranteed scumlynch tomorrow in Aristo. If we lynch Aristo here and let Jingle get away another day, we might be looking at a pretty crappy scenario tomorrow.

Jingle is the correct lynch today.

[Vecna]

This also just dawned on me:

Why on earth would a nonflipping villager be scared to reveal their role to NR on N1?

[Vecna]

Theres a confirmation of people getting pizza btw Jingle? Anyone can confirm that you indeed do have that role?

[jjh927]

Vecna, we have 2 instances- 1 relying on Jingle and 1 on yourself, of you failing to jailkeep

[Creature]

missed 20 pages and Jingle is now suddenly the best lynch?

[Shoshin]

Nero probably shouldn't shoot anyone tonight if there's a scum redirector.

[Jingle]

I have a post to make to sum up the situation with regards to me.

It’ll probably be half an hour or so.

[Aristophanes]

Nero probably shouldn't shoot anyone tonight if there's a scum redirector.

If not he should be protected for sure! Actually, why wouldn't he shoot and be JK'd? If scum want to kill him, they redirect vecna and risk taking his shot. If not, he is guaranteed alive tomorrow to take another shot!

[Jingle]

Alright:

Spoiler: Roles and Role information, as dependent on Jingle

Unless the scumteam is Jingle/Aristophanes/MemeMen there is a Post Restricting Roleblocker.
If Jingle is town:

A babysitter exists. Occams razor suggests that Gamma is thus either scum with Jingle or town.
Jingle's large post about roles and claimed interactions becomes trustworthy.

Spoiler: Jingle and Vecna

Vecna claims to have targeted Firebringer N4. Jingle KNOWS that Firebringer successfully acted on N4.

In order for both Jingle and Vecna to be town, Vecna's target has to have been changed somehow, either through a roleblock or a redirection.

Spoiler: Jingle and Aristophanes

Jingle targeted Meme Men with Firebringer's voyeur N5, recieving the result of Roleblock and Miscellaneous. Radiant Cowbells confirmed that a normal hider would reveal as a hiding action (Specifically to Jingle). Radiant Cowbells refused to confirm what a Post Restricting Roleblocker would show as, but Roleblocking and Miscellaneous is more than reasonable. Jingle implied he was a watcher to bait accurate targeting information. Aristophanes claims to have hidden behind MemeMen.

Additionally, Jingle targeted Aristophanes for pizza. If Aristophanes had been blocked, he would have gone no where and would have received said pizza. He claims to have not received any pizza, meaning his action did in fact succeed.

In order for both Jingle and Aristophanes to be town, Aristophanes has to have been redirected to target someone else. He specifically cannot have been roleblocked last night.

Spoiler: Aristophanes, Independent of Jingle

Aristophanes claims to have been roleblocked while attempting to hide on N4. Hider comes before Roleblocker in the NAR order, and by their nature the two roles would need to interact.

In order for Aristophanes to be town, the roleblocker needs to be motivated in addition to being loud OR actions need to be resolved contrary to NAR.

Spoiler: Night Actions, Independent of Jingle

There is a greater than normal chance of a scum redirector. As such, neither Gamma or Nero should use their night action until there is evidence to the contrary. Both roles when outed turn a scum redirector into a scum vigilante.

[Jingle]

Shoshin is scum as well.

Shoshin could be scum with literally anyone if there's a 3 person scumteam. That gets resolved at 7 person potential LYLO, no sooner.

[Jingle]

Theres a confirmation of people getting pizza btw Jingle? Anyone can confirm that you indeed do have that role?

Mastina claimed to receive pizza D3, JJ D5. In order for me not to be a pizza vendor, JJ has to be scum.

Or rather, in order for a pizza vendor to not exist, JJ has to be scum.

[Lady Angel]

VOTE: Jingle

This should resolve the most 1v1s?

[RadiantCowbells]

A Story Revisited

Votecount 6.313:

Aristophanes (4): Nero Cain, Northsidegal, Gamma Emerald, Jingle
Jingle (3): Aristophanes, Vecna, Lady Angel
Sheepsaysmeep (0):
Northsidegal (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Nero Cain (0):
The Meme Men (0):
Lady Angel: (0):
Creature (0):
jjh927 (0):
Vecna (0):
Profii (0):
Shoshin (0):

Not Voting: Adelbert Steiner, Shoshin, Creature, Sora, Sheepsaysmeep, Shiro, jjh927

With 13 alive it's 8 to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2018-12-23 19:00:00). - its christmas, going to set deadline before then resume after.

[Jingle]

VOTE: Jingle

This should resolve the most 1v1s?

I am the superior information lynch, yes.

Ari is pretty much publically confscum by his own claim though.

[Vecna]

Here's the thing that works against you the most fmpov; If scum really DO have a redirector.......Why the fuck do they still fail to make a kill night4? Why dont they redirect me somewhere to deny town investigative results? How come youre allowed to gather all this information while it couldve easily been stopped. Why havent we seen any true signs of a redirector at work earlier in the game. The simplest answer here just appears to be that you did slip up.

Porkens/sheep having the role they claim to have......probably makes at least some sense (at least to explain the dialogue stuff). Also, the you've been poisoned shit is typical porkens I bet.

[Vecna]

If you do flip town though, its really gonna suck for me going forward.

[Jingle]

Eh... You should survive til they lynch Ari, given that Ari has the highest RB equity.

[Jingle]

Also, I was the first person to say I'm probably the best objective lynch for the day. I'd obviously prefer to lynch scum, but... :shrug:

I'm not gonna fight to save my life.

[profii]

Right I just asked RC for any night actions that might have come my way as I hadn’t been told

The answer was not “no actions”

So I am going to try and sort through the claims and such to see if the actions have been claimed

Or you can come forward- let’s call it an honesty test

[Nero Cain]

hey prof....I get that mechanics are important but sometimes scumhunting is about how you

FEEL

.

Could you like ISO the living players and tell me who feels scummy and who feels towny?

[THE MEME MEN]

You got an immediate response from RC about something in this game...? -RH

[Aristophanes]

[profii]

You got an immediate response from RC about something in this game...? -RH

Lol I didn’t say immediate

[Gamma Emerald]

I checked and I know I targeted you so ask the mod again but maybe make it broader? It’s possible he thought you meant investigative results