[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[rb]

Leodanny (L-4)

: Thor665, Persivul, Dunnstral

rb (L-4)

: Leodanny, Something_Smart, DarkLightA

Malakitty (L-5)

: Lamees, Auro

DarkLightA (L-5)

: Nako, bristep123

Dunnstral (L-6)

: rb

Egix96, Malakitty

im townreading thor at this point

[rb]

i mean, if we're consolidating between mala and leo

VOTE: leo

[Auro]

You say this like GFs aren't near constant issues with Cops in basically every game.
I'm happy with the Cop targeting.
I'm happy with the Cop targeting me or a top scumspect of mine.
If I opposed any part of that then I'd need to oppose the COp targeting anyone.
Do you fear Framer/GF so much you think the Cop shouldn't target? Unless your answer is 'yes' I fail to see your issue here.

No, I think the cop should be governed, or gated to one or two people. Rb saying "cop one of these two!" and you responding "yeah, I'm happy with a check on us!" seems like you're both encouraging the cop to check one of us, which means a framer has a much more informed target.
Also, major tinfoil here, but -- you could be the GF inviting a cop check, too. If that's the case and I'm framed, then win-win no matter who a cop checks.

Encouraging the cop to check someone (or two) is bad, IMO, and they should keep in mind the existence of framers and GFs when deciding who they target.

[rb]

i often suggest who i think a potential cop or vig should target

because reasons

[rb]

realistically the cop should just check whoever they think is likely to be scum or someone they think can't be sorted easily

at the time i thought there was a good chance of that in you and thor - and tbh i still kinda do

[MiniDeathStar]

Notice

Chapter 4

is finally up. Please try not to replace out anymore
because this is getting increasingly difficult to retcon!!

[Auro]

No, I think the cop should be governed, or gated to one or two people.

I *don't* think, sorry.

[Something_Smart]

You guys realize that angel dying at night and hitting a framed town target is better than angel dying at night and hitting a town target that they didn't say in advance...

[Persivul]

You guys realize that angel dying at night and hitting a framed town target is better than angel dying at night and hitting a town target that they didn't say in advance...

No, I don't realize that at all.

[Persivul]

realistically the cop should just check

whoever they think is likely to be scum or

someone they think can't be sorted easily

If scum is participating, then theoretically town can eventually catch them. That's the whole point of the game. Investigatives and vigs should target people who aren't participating enough to be sorted. There are some exceptions, but this generally applies.

[Something_Smart]

If angel hits framed town we have a scummy town dead, equivalent to a vig shot. A second vig shot or a blocked kill would put us way ahead.
But if angel dies and picks a town that nobody knows, we get nothing at all.

[Persivul]

If angel hits framed town we have a scummy town dead, equivalent to a vig shot.

You're assuming she would pick a

scummy

target. I don't share your optimism...

[Something_Smart]

Fair enough, but since she'd be announcing it ahead of time we can at least give her some guidance.

I was under the impression that she'd pick rb... do you think that'd be a bad choice?

[Something_Smart]

i mean, if we're consolidating between mala and leo

VOTE: leo

False dichotomy and also you are still on the table

I do want to know what people's beef with Mala is because I feel like she's been playing pretty solidly so far.

[Persivul]

Fair enough, but since she'd be announcing it ahead of time we can at least give her some guidance.

1. She hasn't shown a willingness to work together on the ability so far.

2. By announcing, we remove the possibility of her hitting scum. If she announces scum, they simply don't kill her. If she announces a townie they're not particularly concerned about, they likewise don't kill her, as it somewhat frames that person the next day.

Mod seems to have considered such uses of angel and countered them.

I was under the impression that she'd pick rb... do you think that'd be a bad choice?

Yes. He's participating. Vig shots are for lurkers.

[Nako]

I will start reading soon, anything I should know before reading? Like any claim?

[Persivul]

I will start reading soon, anything I should know before reading? Like any claim?

Lamees claimed Angel. IIRC she was only L-3 at the time.

[Egix96]

Taking into consideration what's been said since I was here earlier, I'm more inclined to vote Leo at the moment. I don't trust the people who are currently voting rb, but I could switch to Mala if needed.

VOTE: Leodanny

L-2

[Nako]

UNVOTE:
OK, I am starting reading now.

[Nako]

Setup is scumsided so of course I roll town

zzz

VOTE: Auro

I soulread DVa as town

[Nako]

VOTE: Leodanny

Not random BTW.

I am also soulreading Persivul as town.

[Nako]

VOTE: dva

Lamist af

I am souldreading this as scum.
Wow, I have 3 soulreads already, I should slow down.

[Lamees]

Lol. Amazing reads.

[Nako]

Wait why would someone that's funny and relaxed be town? I think this is you low key being lamist as scum here. You have been pushing the "funny" angle all game with your posts, and I guess relaxed too? So yeah you just exposed yourself imo.

VOTE: rb

This feels like opportunistic scum so if Lamees is scum, rb is most likely a town.

[Lamees]

If angel hits framed town we have a scummy town dead, equivalent to a vig shot. A second vig shot or a blocked kill would put us way ahead.
But if angel dies and picks a town that nobody knows, we get nothing at all.

Who determines what a scummy target is?