Large Normal 217 (Game Over)

[Clemency]

my theory was far-fetched anyway

[stan1ey]

bearing in mind that xtoxm tried to kill either me or GIF on night one and not A50, if we are going to believe Joges story then we'll have to believe that clem knew the NK target was either me or gif but instead of saying he healed one of us he fake claimed that he healed A50, and i cant see any reason to do that (albeit i cant see any reason for him to have claimed anyway)

[Clemency]

i targeted a50, i didnt lie about that
i have a very bad feeling about this

[Clemency]

there has to be a second protective because xtoxm visited two people and nobody died

[Clemency]

i'm so confused

[Clemency]

i'm trying to figure out if this means a50's scum somehow
i have no idea whats happening

[Rob14]

Vote Count #4.1:

Clemency:

joges, Persivul (2)

joges:

Clemency, Gamma Emerald (2)

Gamma Emerald:

Almost50 (1)

Persivul:

Not_Mafia (1)

Not Voting:

GuyInFreezer, stan1ey

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-01-02 00:20:00)

[Clemency]

oh my god it could totally be joges and a50

[Persivul]

How do you figure that?

For the umpteenth time...why does scum!joges set up a 1v1 with you? Makes no sense. I can see joges town and you scum. There's a lower chance that you're both town. But I don't see joges as scum.

[Clemency]

i dont know

why

, i know he's lying about getting roleblocked

[Almost50]

tinfoil time: From the way this played out, we know scum were informed of something, but we don't know what that something is. Were they informed of the existence of a FV? A Tracker? What?

FV explained Persy's "correct guess" to Chateau's case. Tracker explains Xtoxm taking the chance if doing the N1 kill along with his RC.

I am not sure where to go from this. Do we lynch Clemency to confirm joges? Do we lynch joges to confirm Clemency? Do we lynch outside of the two and let it resolve?

joges claiming to be effectively a VT now justifies him living to endgame.

VOTE: joges

Mechanical choice. If he is what he says he is we lynch Clemency next. Easy.

[stan1ey]

joges claiming to be effectively a VT now justifies him living to endgame.

VOTE: joges

Mechanical choice. If he is what he says he is we lynch Clemency next. Easy.

agreed. this is really confusing and the only thing that seems to make any sense is that one person is lying, if we have to flip one to confirm the other then we should start with the potential VT over the potential doctor, if he flips town then all we have lost is a VT and we can just lynch Clem tomorrow, plus I think I believe Clem more than joges for the reason i said in 1051
VOTE: joges

[Persivul]

Lynching joges makes no sense. This is lynching overkill first all over again.

I'm not even sure anymore that Clem/joges must contain scum.

[joges]

joges claiming to be effectively a VT now justifies him living to endgame.

VOTE: joges

Mechanical choice. If he is what he says he is we lynch Clemency next. Easy.

agreed. this is really confusing and the only thing that seems to make any sense is that one person is lying, if we have to flip one to confirm the other then we should start with the potential VT over the potential doctor, if he flips town then all we have lost is a VT and we can just lynch Clem tomorrow, plus I think I believe Clem more than joges for the reason i said in 1051
VOTE: joges

Clem has been great at soaking up the RBs apparently, so not a bad choice. If there's one more power out there somewhere maybe they'll get another go at it.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Almost50

[stan1ey]

UNVOTE: because i just realised i put him on L-1 and i dont want to end yet, consider my vote on joges

[Almost50]

Actually, I think I know who scum are. It's Persivul + N_M, but I'd have a very hard time convincing anyone.

D1: X 2nd on Sasha, Persy 4th. N_M on 0verki11

D2: N_M 1st on 0verki11, X hammer. Persy on X

D3: Persy 4t on X & N_M hanner <<< THIS is what got me thinking N_M can't be Mafia, but they both waited to see if the silly X claim would gain any popularity to save his neck

Xtoxm reads on remaining suspects:

Not_Mafia - no way he's scum with overkill, very likely town

Persivul - I did think his confidence in himself in the end after cls gambit looked town, after I scum read him most of the game. I'll say probtown

Gamma Emerald - inconsistent read on overkill, good chance of scum

joges - absent today, scrummy yesterday, could well be scum

Persy accuses N_M of tunneling 0verki11 (true) but doesn't vote there.

I want to flip Persy today.

VOTE: Persivul

My theory is Persy told N_M to vote him today because I specifically think N_M doesn't bus.

[joges]

UNVOTE: because i just realised i put him on L-1 and i dont want to end yet, consider my vote on joges

If you actually thought I was scum, why would you care?

[Clemency]

i'm starting to feel like joges isn't lying either

[Clemency]

oh well
idk
he was lying about being roleblocked
i'm so lost

[joges]

I don't like people leaving my wagon. Especially if it's for anyone other than Clemency.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Clemency
Ok that felt like he forgot he had to maintain a certain POV to stay alive

[joges]

There has been a moderator error related to the ruleset. I apologize for that.

The scum faction(s) has/have daytalk.

Town need to stay on course here and remember this. It makes no sense to dig up a case on someone else out of the blue when it's clear Clem or I need to go today. I do not like A50 and Pers deciding to target each other out of the blue.

[Clemency]

joges why are you so damn willing to be lynched today

[stan1ey]

because joges i am not 100% sure you are scum, i think its more likely that you are scum and clem is town but i would not be shocked if it was the other way around and i dont want the day to end before ive fully got my head around the situation