Mini 2039: uPicketyPicketyPick Mafia Endgame

[ChibiBear]

Do you think that if NK15 were scum, he could/would have faked that case on Nibbui while he was in danger of being lynched last night?

I can't help but keep coming back to that. Before it, I was willing to lynch him as a null read but after, I think that he is more likely to be town than scum.

[Nibbui]

NSG, by the way, I may have amnesia but I don't remember you answering me about your read on Nico. Is it mod confirmed info? Or is it by play?

[MariaR]

Maria, why should we town read you here? What would you be doing differently as scum?

Well besides the fact I prob never NK RC (there are cases I would but it would depend on my scum role and teamates of course)
I can't give a valid answer because scum me spends a lot more time then people think doing planning on how I want to appear to others. I fully expected to be in the poe because my scum game is

that

good that no matter even if I had a super towny game I'd still be in poe because it's in my scum range.
So to give a short answer to your question. Nothing really you have no real reason to tr me. I'm a hard gal to read. There's only about 3 people on this site who you should trust to read me and none of them are here

[northsidegal]

I think you just did it and I think it's also in the back of some peoples minds just in general.

my argument has never been that someone is town just because they're lynchbait. i think that nk15 is town because of differences between the game he's playing here and previous scumgames of his – specifically, i believe there are certain things he's done this game that he could not replicate as scum, based on past games in which he

has not

replicated those actions as scum.

[MariaR]

I have the same reasons to think he's scum because I've seen him do tells from scum nk15. To be fair I don't really remember town nk15 but scum nk15 yeah

[Nibbui]

What kind of tells and why you're only bringing they up right now?

Also this is getting funny it's almost as NSG and me are interrogating MariaR

[MariaR]

They wouldn't be valid tells anymore if I outted them! That's why you don't bring them up so they keep doing said tells.

[Nibbui]

Maria I'm sorry but like, you can't really say that we would be doing any wrong by lynching you here?

I asked for you to appoint me some town points about you, and you said "well, I'm a hard player to read" so we basically have no reason to town read specifically.

I asked you who you think it's scum, and you couldn't give me anything but NK15 that is a very easy target.

I still asked you why, and only now you bring up those "tells" and when I say for you to explain you just say "well, it's a secret meta tell".

I mean...what are we supposed to do here really? We don't even know the reasons why we should be voting in NK15 with you?

[MariaR]

I told you I expected to die today this isn't me trying to avoid my death this is me trying to slap you out of your poe that is clearly incorrect

[Gamma Emerald]

No I just assume I'll be lynched today because for some reason I'm suddenly a lynch option when no one has outted a reason why I'm scum. (Seriously not one)
I also doubt I'll get tr mostly because of my rep so just playing assuming death

Lies
Just because my case doesn’t please you doesn’t make it not exist

[ChibiBear]

The tells might be worth less if you tell us but they aren't going to be worth anything if they die with you.

[MariaR]

Like you're still doing it
'very easy target' doesn't mean they can't get a scum pm the game doesn't have to be a game of god dam chess. With every move being this complex impossible thing where you need the hard vet players to be scum.
Sometime it really is that easy.
Using the 'easy target' line isn't something you should ever do.
Pedit: It legit doesn't exist you sr me for not entertaining your bad joke

[Nibbui]

You're actually not giving us an alternative PoE though

neither are willing to explain a supposedly meta tell on NK15 when I don't think you'll play with him that often

neither is actually giving us a good case on yourself being the least bit townie

I mean, I'm willing to listen but yeah, this hasn't made plenty of progress...

[MariaR]

My whole goal here is to tell you the reason you're not lynching people shouldn't be a reason for not lynching them. I'm voting nk15 for his awful push on me and a tell yup.

[MariaR]

If I town cased myself you wouldn't even listen. I stopped town casing myself because no one listens to them.

[MariaR]

The fact that I'm even a lynch choice should be clue enough I'm town but hey.

[MariaR]

Alright I've said enough I'm gonna lurk until the 2 events are done. If I see something worth commenting on I'll say my piece. Until then I'm gonna go do something enjoyable because frankly, this is just depressing. (Not for the reasons you think though)

[Nibbui]

Are you guys actually going to make me go read NK15 games to clear this out?

isn't that what they call true evil...?

anyway, I would still be a bit surprised if Kokichi and Maria flip scum together even though my reads point to it. It'll have been such a weird game.

[Nibbui]

By the way NSG, two more questions to pile up with the Nico's one:

Who out of Maria and Kokichi you do think it's most likely to flip scum?

Also, can you explain a bit your town read on me?

[northsidegal]

Who out of Maria and Kokichi you do think it's most likely to flip scum?

right now i would probably say maria, although it's still something i'm trying to figure out. it shot pretty sharply from being kokichi to being maria as soon as she entered with a vote on me: as simplistic and OMGUS-esque as that sounds, there's deeper reasoning to it: Maria pretty strongly believes that i have zero capacity to play scum and sub out of every scumgame that i roll, so it's pretty unbelievable to me that she would enter today voting me like that and even later still not be convinced that i'm town. she

did

vote me yesterday when i was less active, but her reasoning was based on "[my] tone and overall approach to the game" not being town, which i similarly find hard to believe, especially given that she brings up Nicorobin's lurking meta in the exact same post.

Also, can you explain a bit your town read on me?

i guess at first i would call it a tone read mainly, just in that you seem like you actively care about figuring things out and sorting the game whereas in the scumgame that i'm primarily using for comparison, micro 801, despite a proclaimed excitement to play the game due to the playerlist you didn't seem all that engaged or like you were actually enjoying solving (speaking primarily from memory here)

beyond that, i agree with what gamma noticed in that i think it's unlikely that scum!you kills RC when you had your whole push on him unless you were somehow convinced by a scumbuddy or some other shenanigans went on (but again, i don't think you're scum in the first place so that line of thinking kind of collapses)

i don't know. i got basically the same feeling at the start of the game that i did as soon as you replaced in to the coalition – i just feel like it's the kind of early read that i'm unlikely to be wrong on.

[Nibbui]

Makes sense.

I feel like Maria is a bit lost and don't know what to do regardless of alignment. Not really what I expected from a possible scum!Maria but idk her play too much anyway.

[Nibbui]

I may put this game on low priority from now on to be honest. I think I have mostly got my solve so it's not that important anyway though.

VOTE: MariaR

[Firebringer]

The fact that I'm even a lynch choice should be clue enough I'm town but hey.

what a bad argument by maria.

maybe she is town

[Nibbui]

The fact that I'm even a lynch choice should be clue enough I'm town but hey.

what a bad argument by maria.

maybe she is town

who would be scum then?

[Firebringer]

The fact that I'm even a lynch choice should be clue enough I'm town but hey.

what a bad argument by maria.

maybe she is town

who would be scum then?

probably me