Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Xtoxm]

Thanks Nancy. I'm not sure what to do with you, but i'm sure you'd like to know I moved you out of my scum pile some time today.

A large part of me feels like Nauci is just open wolfing here, the agenda she has been pushing today is so pro-scum. I can't tell if it's coming from a malicious place or reckless town trying to game solve.

[Varsoon]

@Nauci, @Varsoon

Is there any difference between a zerg and an infested terran?

Yeah.
Infested Terran are like this:


They're still human, but obviously 'changed' and controlled.

Regular Zerg are more like monsters outright and don't even talk:

[AlmostNancy]

Thanks Nancy. I'm not sure what to do with you, but i'm sure you'd like to know I moved you out of my scum pile some time today.

A large part of me feels like Nauci is just open wolfing here, the agenda she has been pushing today is so pro-scum. I can't tell if it's coming from a malicious place or reckless town trying to game solve.

Thanks. <3

Why do you think Nauci is “open wolfing” , because of her Key vote?

[AlmostNancy]

For instance, here's my information:
I know that Zerg exist as a faction and that their kill, by default, is not bullets.

That's how I also am fairly sure none of last night's kills were by Zerg.
I posited even/odd factional kills as a possibility, wondering if some absolute chump would try to take credit with a doc or BP-who-used-a-vest fakeclaim, but with our doc dead, the only person who really somewhat adheres to this is Performer.

@Nauci, @Varsoon

Is there any difference between a zerg and an infested terran?

Yeah.
Infested Terran are like this:


They're still human, but obviously 'changed' and controlled.

Regular Zerg are more like monsters outright and don't even talk:

Do you think the kills were made by infested terran?

[Xtoxm]

pushing lots of different wagons to out info, further pushing mew after he said revealing his info would be anti town, and now pushing on key despite no other invest claims. i struggle to see town motivation for any of this.

[AlmostNancy]

pushing lots of different wagons to out info, further pushing mew after he said revealing his info would be anti town, and now pushing on key despite no other invest claims. i struggle to see town motivation for any of this.

Yes, I think if Key were lying, then someone would have debunked him with a CC claim of some sort.

I still don’t understand the logic of having a bp townie in the setup, especially if it isn’t an xshot.

[Nauci]

we have zero flipped/claimed investigatives outside of keyser. why would you even risk lynching there without establishing someone (dead or alive) challenging him for only investigative in the game?

1: my hollistic read of Keyser is that he's being scummy, for a number of factors

2: his claimed target could be a convenient fake claim

3: thinking about TW's fake gunsmith claims (and a real claim as a scum gunsmith ) made me extra skeptical

I don't know if there's an investigative role at all or if there's an unclaimed one and I'm kinda tired of setup spec because of the number of weird mechanics and claims currently happening; all of the wagons are on people who have claimed something or other and I don't think all of them can be true, so I pick my scummiest read ATM to be the one I doubt because we've all apparently agreed that kokichi will be sorted out end of day somehow

If he turns out to be an even night SK I'm going to have words with someone or other though

[Nauci]

@Nauci, @Varsoon

Is there any difference between a zerg and an infested terran?

The only thing would be that infested terran could shoot a gun which was part of the speculation but if there was information that the Zerg faction don't have a bullet flavor then the speculation is probably moot

[Nauci]

pushing lots of different wagons to out info, further pushing mew after he said revealing his info would be anti town, and now pushing on key despite no other invest claims. i struggle to see town motivation for any of this.

Yes, I think if Key were lying, then someone would have debunked him with a CC claim of some sort.

I still don’t understand the logic of having a bp townie in the setup, especially if it isn’t an xshot.

I thought performer claimed 1sbp

[Nauci]

In the game I modded, every scum was run up to basically -1 in the first 2 days

They

all

fake claimed and spent a lot of time coasting on their claims. NM's checks were on dead people or were "no result" supposedly even through to days where it didn't even make sense

Creature and NM lived and won as scum this way (to be fair, boon fake claimed Mason as town with scum Creature and everything went nuts)

So I'm especially skeptical of claims from a bunch of scummy slots who aren't otherwise really participating in the game

[Nauci]

TW, Irrelephant, creature, NM, and Shoshin either participated in or spectated said game. At some point through the replacement cycle, NM/tw/creature were the scum team

[Xtoxm]

But if we ended up in a spot we thought was lylo and went for a massclaim, and it turns out no one dead or alive claims invest, would you agree keys is then very likely town?
If yes, why risk lynching the invest today?
Perf claims protective. We have a dead protective. Perf can never be cleared by setup spec. Keys potentially could, as well as providing a headache for scum if he is town.
Lynching an invest claim with no counters on D2 is a really high risk play we don't need to take.

p-ed: I'm frustrated at Keys lack of doing much as well, i'm not sure he's ever placed a vote since RVS? But that doesn't mean i'm willing to risk lynching him at this stage of the game.

[Nauci]

Outside of setup reasons, how do you read performer?

I've not had time to metadive because my foster kittens got sicker and I don't feel like I have a grasp on reading him because I don't follow his trains of thought easily and I don't know if that's alignment indicative

[Nauci]

VOTE: performer

[Nauci]

I think that was -2

[Nauci]

Mew I need you to give reads instead of vague claiming

[AlmostNancy]

@Nauci, @Varsoon

Is there any difference between a zerg and an infested terran?

The only thing would be that infested terran could shoot a gun which was part of the speculation but if there was information that the Zerg faction don't have a bullet flavor then the speculation is probably moot

But Varsoon’s claim, would argue otherwise?

That infested terran made the N1 kills.

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Xtom

[AlmostNancy]

we have zero flipped/claimed investigatives outside of keyser. why would you even risk lynching there without establishing someone (dead or alive) challenging him for only investigative in the game?

1: my hollistic read of Keyser is that he's being scummy, for a number of factors

2: his claimed target could be a convenient fake claim

3: thinking about TW's fake gunsmith claims (and a real claim as a scum gunsmith ) made me extra skeptical

I don't know if there's an investigative role at all or if there's an unclaimed one and I'm kinda tired of setup spec because of the number of weird mechanics and claims currently happening; all of the wagons are on people who have claimed something or other and I don't think all of them can be true, so I pick my scummiest read ATM to be the one I doubt because we've all apparently agreed that kokichi will be sorted out end of day somehow

If he turns out to be an even night SK I'm going to have words with someone or other though

But if he’s lying about that, we can lynch him D3. His claim is resolvable, so Key is a pointless wagon for today.

[Shoshin]

Key's claim doesn't confirm him as town?

[Shoshin]

I'm around for the next couple hours to discuss the game. Let's solve this.

[AlmostNancy]

VOTE: Xtom

Why?

Why does scum!Xtom ever point out the dearth of town investigatives?

What possible scum motivation is there, when he knows Keyser’s claim is resolvable?

[Xtoxm]

Honestly performer has mostly read null for me. I did find it odd that he vote parked me for so long yesterday without actually pushing me at all. In hindsight perhaps that was a scum indication.

But really it's that hammer. And you guys keep shitting on me for this. I think my position and his yesterday were uniquely similar. We spent the day being the 2 primary wagons until deadline came around. And then with NM at L-1, we had very different approaches. We were both off the wagon. I was around and posting. I could have done the same thing, we were both equally vulnerable for being a possible counter wagon if NM turned up and claimed. 6 hours was honestly a really LONG time away from deadline in our situation. I had zero thoughts of hammering. I wanted to see what NM had to say. But Perf came in and naked hammered. It was survivalistic. It was so different to how I was looking at the game in that moment, that i'm convinced it came from a scum place.

[Shoshin]

Is that Nancy?

[AlmostNancy]

Key's claim doesn't confirm him as town?

No but if his claim is bogus, then we lynch him D3. I agree with Xtoxm that it’s highly unlikely that there are no investigatives in this setup.