In post 3320, Mewtaph wrote:If I claim then someone else can confirm my claim but that will probably force them to imply the nature of their full role. So that's why I omitted my role.
I am currently aware that one player is straight up lying about their claimed role.
Then don't beat around the bush.
Your information will NOT flip with you.
Furthermore, I thought I could win that way in TAZ mafia when I had a guilty on NorthsideGal.
I made a hard soft at it but pushed someone else
That someone else was scum and shot me during the day because the mod recklessly put a scum dayvig in the setup.
Then the scum that I had a guilty on, which should have been obvious from my flip and final post, got away all game.
The day before lylo, town FOUND my guilty, and then proceeded to NO LYNCH despite having 100% caught scum.
Because town no lynched instead of lynching scum, they were smoked the next day when frustrated town voted for another town.
Several players in this game were in that game.
They can all attest to this:
Do not beat around the bush.
If you have information that 100% condemns someone as mafia, hard claim it.
Otherwise, the other townies will make some real trash plays and flush the victory you worked for down the drain.
In post 3563, Varsoon wrote:@AlmostNancy: My flavor is identical to a scum player who is not actually my character but an imposter. You claimed pretty much the same thing. It feels like bait to try to get me to tilt too much info because if you are that scum player, you know the longer my role stays in game, the more info town gets.
If you're town, I'm sorry.
I missed this before. This has nothing to do with MY actual flavour.
I am an informed townie
. This is all about a specific flavour that I know for sure, exists in the game and based on my role PM and what I’ve been able to deduce from reading up about it, is that there’s 2 of _____ in this game and
I know that flavour isn’t Duran
. so it’s 100% not you. There is no “D” in either of them. I just wish you had questioned me about it before you unnecessarily flavour claimed. :/
But what we now know is that there are 2 town and 2 scum versions of each and who knows how many more?
see now I'm even more curious wtf mewtaph was talking about with accusing someone of lying and whatnot
kinda want to flip that
He keeps saying it’s “anti-town” but he’s essentially saying he has a guilty on someone, so how can it ever be anti-town to claim it?
@Varsoon, I’m really sorry I lost it on you earlier. I think I was more in shock then anything else. And I did what I did, because of your post. I just don’t know how we win this now. :/
In post 3636, Xtoxm wrote:I'm glad Krazy put a mechanic in the game to punish the d1 pgo claim. Good game design.
Also we're gonna get boned one way or another for all the info we needlessly outed today.
Apparently, town gets punished for trying to game the setup, to fuck scum. That’s what all of this is looking like to me. :/
Punished for claiming to early, which is why how today has gone is so disappointing. I feel really good about perf being scum though. Hopefully we can get things back on track.
Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
Xtoxm is consistently great - Shosin
you were the only wolf i townread at endgame - the worst
How are you all doing today my fellow town members.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
In post 3636, Xtoxm wrote:I'm glad Krazy put a mechanic in the game to punish the d1 pgo claim. Good game design.
Also we're gonna get boned one way or another for all the info we needlessly outed today.
Apparently, town gets punished for trying to game the setup, to fuck scum. That’s what all of this is looking like to me. :/
Punished for claiming to early, which is why how today has gone is so disappointing. I feel really good about perf being scum though. Hopefully we can get things back on track.
I’m depressed. Varsoon never should have outted what he did. He might as well been waving a red flag to a bull. :/
In post 3662, AlmostNancy wrote:@Varsoon, I’m really sorry I lost it on you earlier. I think I was more in shock then anything else. And I did what I did, because of your post. I just don’t know how we win this now. :/
@AlNan: No, there are absolutely no ninjas in the game. No town ninjas, now non-town ninjas, no ninjas whatsoever. Also, I've been looking at a starcraft wiki, and I would like you to look back extremely carefully and think really hard about whether your information makes Kokichi more suspicious.
@Performer: I (and others) did ask for explanations. The reasoning didn't track. And it wasn't just about Mewtaph.
@skitter: It's not that town can't be illogical. I am also townleaning on AlNan, and you will recall I said that they've used fallacious reasoning before. But someone whose reasoning follows and is plainly possible to understand is more likely to be town, simply because they are not relying on fallacies; i.e. errors.
@Varsoon: Out of curiosity, do you get a result if scum try to kill someone and are blocked/jailkept, or only if their kill is actually attempted, as it were? In other words, does it look like there could be a jailkeeper around? Also, along the same lines, if you happen to be jailkept, will you still get whatever results you'd normally get?
Incidentally, Keyser's role, if true, is more of a half-investigative one (in that it doesn't tell us as much as a real investigative role). I wouldn't be surprised if in addition to his, we also have another less effective investigative role, like a watcher or something.
In post 3673, Mitillos wrote:@AlNan: No, there are absolutely no ninjas in the game. No town ninjas, now non-town ninjas, no ninjas whatsoever. Also, I've been looking at a starcraft wiki, and I would like you to look back extremely carefully and think really hard about whether your information makes Kokichi more suspicious.
@Performer: I (and others) did ask for explanations. The reasoning didn't track. And it wasn't just about Mewtaph.
@skitter: It's not that town can't be illogical. I am also townleaning on AlNan, and you will recall I said that they've used fallacious reasoning before. But someone whose reasoning follows and is plainly possible to understand is more likely to be town, simply because they are not relying on fallacies; i.e. errors.
@Varsoon: Out of curiosity, do you get a result if scum try to kill someone and are blocked/jailkept, or only if their kill is actually attempted, as it were? In other words, does it look like there could be a jailkeeper around? Also, along the same lines, if you happen to be jailkept, will you still get whatever results you'd normally get?
Incidentally, Keyser's role, if true, is more of a half-investigative one (in that it doesn't tell us as much as a real investigative role). I wouldn't be surprised if in addition to his, we also have another less effective investigative role, like a watcher or something.
How does my information have anything to do with Kokichi? I have no idea, who has these flavours, only that they exist.
Since, I believe my informed flavour role, points to both an “original” character and one who isn’t, I’m assuming, based on Varsoon’s theory, that the one who isn’t “original”, is probably an infested terran, who either killed Irrelephant11 or Creature last night, because he says that only zergs can presumably kill tonight or something?
I've never had a day 2 where I've wanted to lynch this many people
