Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Nauci]

I don't think it essentially means he has a guilty on someone at all?

Like for example, it's not the mechanic that's happening here, but if he's masons with someone he wouldn't want to out them? Idk.

I'm having a hard time thinking of what it could be though

Oh I guess that’s possible too but why can’t he just say X is lying about their claim? That’s the part I can’t wrap my brain around.

Because he believes that X is lying about their claim to hide being a tpr so outing their identity would out a tpr

[Nauci]

With the multiball theory I would find Keyser being a scum Zerg gunsmith somehow crazy plausible

[AlmostNancy]

I don't think it essentially means he has a guilty on someone at all?

Like for example, it's not the mechanic that's happening here, but if he's masons with someone he wouldn't want to out them? Idk.

I'm having a hard time thinking of what it could be though

Oh I guess that’s possible too but why can’t he just say X is lying about their claim? That’s the part I can’t wrap my brain around.

Because he believes that X is lying about their claim to hide being a tpr so outing their identity would out a tpr

I have no idea, even who, he could possibly be referring to. No one who’s claimed so far, has claimed vt, so I totally do not get it.

And how could Mewtaph even know such a thing? The mason thing, made way more sense.

[AlmostNancy]

P.edit. And if that’s the case, how do you account for Mew not claiming HIS role?

[AlmostNancy]

With the multiball theory I would find Keyser being a scum Zerg gunsmith somehow crazy plausible

I think that if SK is responsible for Irrelephant11 kill and not a scumdoc, then Performer’s bp townie, sounds a bit suspicious.

[the worst]

I very very much doubt Performer is ever behind the Rel kill. Let me catch up.

[the worst]

I think I need
more blood...

[Nauci]

I am having to much trouble trying to get into his head to make any analysis of who performer would kill

[Varsoon]

It isn’t Duran.

Why did you do that Varsoon? Why?

Why didn’t you ask me if the name I’d been given. had a D in it or something?

Then I could have put your mind at ease and you wouldn’t have claimed.

Because it'd out that I'm Duran to the Zerg Duran who wants to kill me.

[Varsoon]

@Skitter: Yeah, you're pretty much right in all your conclusions you asked me about.

@Mitilos: I learn if Zerg took a killing action, regardless of if it is a success or not.

@Varsoon, I’m really sorry I lost it on you earlier. I think I was more in shock then anything else. And I did what I did, because of your post. I just don’t know how we win this now. :/

If you're town, then we lose, and it's thanks to the mod designing a setup that's got this much hard swing and screw for town claiming.
It's also thanks to my particular combination of trash history with roles like this one.

[Nauci]

I'm super frustrated with this game because I feel like the pool of suspects is extremely uncooperative about solving the game or engaging with the town who are trying really hard to solve

I was really hoping to be able to solve this game without slogging through meta and just all of the other super extra effort stuff, but on top of that, there's some crazy role madness stuff

Siiiiigh

[Xtoxm]

you've created a situation that is very apathy inducing for anyone outside the "loltownblock". which scum have probably infiltrated anyway.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, cut the crap with the apathy/frustration bit.
Just play the game.
I literally jumped in front of the Zerg kill to give you info that I probably was going to die with tonight anyway.
Do. Something.

[Xtoxm]

well only 2 days til deadline so not much longer for people to string this day out

[Varsoon]

Right then.
So what do you propose, Xtoxm?
Do we settle on one of Performer, Mewtaph, or Keyser?
Or do we go all in on the gamble that AlmostNancy is the role my role warns us about?
Or do we do something altogether different?

We have 2 days. We are headed into a holiday weekend. Let's figure this out now.

[Xtoxm]

I see your reveal and case on Nancy, and I understand why you came to that conclusion.
Personally I thought her reaction to your info was a town reaction.
I think it's entirely possible for 2 different scum to be "imposters" and for 2 different townies to be informed of similar things.
I'm disappointed that all of your info came on to the table and leaves you vulnerable, but I do think there was some value in seeing how Nancy reacted to it.
I do still want to lynch Performer, yes.

[Varsoon]

Okay, then.
I also think that Nancy's reaction struck me as town, though it really bothers me that I went all-in.

Here's the big issue I have.
If Performer isn't lying about being bulletproof, scum REALLY want his lynch.

But he could also very very easily be bulletproof and belong to one of the non-Terran factions.

So I am conflicted there.
Why go for Performer over anyone else?

[Varsoon]

I also think that Kokichi isn't a delayed IC at all, but, rather, is a delayed informational role just like mine.
Take that as you will.

[Xtoxm]

If he doesn't reveal then we'll have a very easy lynch tomorrow. It would be such a daft scum play that I find it hard believe he would do that. But we'll find out soon.
On Performer, i've actually had the opposite feeling. Multiple other wagons have popped despite Perf in my eyes making a scummy play at the end of yesterday, and following it up with a weak claim and weak day play.
I've felt like scum have really wanted an option other than Perf.

[Varsoon]

If he's lying about the IC thing, lynch him no matter what he claims. No matter what.
If he is scum, then the info he gets is more valuable than his life--especially considering his claim bought him out of being lynched early anyway.
Does that make sense? If you're going to be lynched D1, why not claim something to survive at least until you get factional info for your team?
That's the rationale I see.

I see what you're saying on Performer. Why do you think scum have entirely avoided buying into my AlmostNancy wagon?

[Varsoon]

Is it bad optics post-flip or what?

[Varsoon]

Since they're for sure killing me so there's no way to set up lynch AlmostNancy into lynching me.

[Varsoon]

Alternatively, scum could just hard-avoid on AlmostNancy if AlmostNancy is scum so
I think they get the most out of townreading AlmostNancy here no matter the situation.

[skitter30]

I thought nancy's reaction was pretty townie tbh.

If zerg are the only scum faction, and dont have gun flavor, town gunsmith doesnt make much sense to me.

If there's more than one faction, and the other faction does have gun flavor, town or zerg gunsmith makes sense to me

@varsoon, zerg is an anti town faction, right?

[Xtoxm]

Why do you think scum have entirely avoided buying into my AlmostNancy wagon?

Because
1. Scum were entirely absent when it went down and therefore there was is no interaction to witness.
2. Scum that were present knew Nancy well and didn't want to risk exposing themselves by getting into a conflict with her.