Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[the worst]

hard not to beetlejuice when people are always talking about you

[Keyser Söze]

@Nauci - you wont see classic-keyser this gsme unfortunately. If Mew/koki/Mit flip scum, maybe so...

[Mewtaph]

Hard to make content when you don't have the right people to do it with you.

[the worst]

{tw}
{shoshin, nauci, skitter30}
{Varsoon, AlmostNancy}
{Xtoxm, Mitillos, Performer}
{Keyser}
{Mewtaph}
{Kokichi}

This feels really good atm. if Kokichi isn't conftown d3 he's lynched d3 always. trust me on this if I'm NK'd.

Bracket above Keyser contains 1-2 town probably but I'm a conflicted on all 3 of them for different reasons.

[the worst]

Hard to make content when you don't have the right people to do it with you.

suss my read list

ignoring your position, where am I right/wrong and why?

[Xtoxm]

if i had to compromise somewhere, mit would prob be my top choice. (i mean im assuming shos isnt viable)
still have no idea why everyone has a hard on for perf tho.

[the worst]

Last time I played with scum!Perf he was like really obvscum and I had him dead nailed d1 and I'm not feeling the same intense need to powerlynch him here. I don't find him a super? easy read and he always reads fake but I'd say via content he reads more like his town self than his scum self, if slightly

his claim really obviously doesn't come from scum who killed Irrelephant imo and that entire line of reasoning was pretty jank. he could pretty easily be a wolf who isn't behind the Rel kill but also there are people I want dead more

I could probably end up compromising on Performer but it'd be a compromise at this point

[the worst]

sorry for the lukewarm take

[Mewtaph]

Hard to make content when you don't have the right people to do it with you.

suss my read list

ignoring your position, where am I right/wrong and why?

Not going to go into this today.

[the worst]

Hard to make content when you don't have the right people to do it with you.

Hard to make content when you don't have the right people to do it with you.

suss my read list

ignoring your position, where am I right/wrong and why?

Not going to go into this today.

fam.. :c

[Xtoxm]

his claim really obviously doesn't come from scum who killed Irrelephant imo

well i agree on that.

[Nauci]

@Nauci - you wont see classic-keyser this gsme unfortunately. If Mew/koki/Mit flip scum, maybe so...

Por que no?

[Nauci]

{tw}
{shoshin, nauci, skitter30}
{Varsoon, AlmostNancy}
{Xtoxm, Mitillos, Performer}
{Keyser}
{Mewtaph}
{Kokichi}

This feels really good atm. if Kokichi isn't conftown d3 he's lynched d3 always. trust me on this if I'm NK'd.

Bracket above Keyser contains 1-2 town probably but I'm a conflicted on all 3 of them for different reasons.

I'm still experiencing doubt wrt AN for reasons I can't explain (not that I don't want to; I just can't phrase my feeling)

Otherwise I'm about aligned with this

My town reads have been suspiciously in consensus this game, minus xtoxm

[Nauci]

Last time I played with scum!Perf he was like really obvscum and I had him dead nailed d1 and I'm not feeling the same intense need to powerlynch him here. I don't find him a super? easy read and he always reads fake but I'd say via content he reads more like his town self than his scum self, if slightly

his claim really obviously doesn't come from scum who killed Irrelephant imo and that entire line of reasoning was pretty jank. he could pretty easily be a wolf who isn't behind the Rel kill but also there are people I want dead more

I could probably end up compromising on Performer but it'd be a compromise at this point

I'm agreed here too

Also Mitillos's presence and clarity of thought has been entirely absent today to me

[Nauci]

Hard to make content when you don't have the right people to do it with you.

suss my read list

ignoring your position, where am I right/wrong and why?

Not going to go into this today.

As the top wagon you don't really have another chance soooooo

[Xtoxm]

idk what to make of mew.
i dont usually see this kind of mocking apathy from scum.

[Nauci]

if i had to compromise somewhere, mit would prob be my top choice. (i mean im assuming shos isnt viable)
still have no idea why everyone has a hard on for perf tho.

Does that mean you scumread shoshin and mitillos? Do you think they're scum together? What does that mean for when Shoshin tried to start a wagon on Mit?

[the worst]

I don't really mind the consensus vibe because like... the players who are obvtown have been obvtowning pretty aggressively and if we're townreading scum I don't think we're likely to work it out d2 at this pace anyway

AlNan I was not townreading d1 but am townreading d2 and I think her towntells today do exceed the iffy bits of her d2 iso. this townread's starting to feel warmer

pedit: *cries silently @ 10 pedits*

[AlmostNancy]

My thoughts on claims/roles:

Spoiler:

I think most players care too much about keeping their roles hidden. I don't think it hurts towns to get multiple early claims from scummy players. I also don't think it hurts to get early claims from townies when those claims are helpful to sorting alignments (e.g. Varsoon's information, miller claims, etc.) or to avoiding catastrophe (e.g. Irrelephant's PGO claim). Yes, roles sometimes help confirm players as town (e.g. vig shooting mafia, doctor preventing a nightkill), but competent scum also fake these sorts of behaviors (e.g. forfeiting nightkill to fakeclaim doctor/bulletproof). I don't see why players place so much value in roles when they don't help nearly as much as people seem to think. From what I've seen, they often lead to mislynches (scum love to push mislynches through role analysis).

I also think most players put too much weight into investigation. I've seen scum fake investigative results in most of my theme games, mini or large. I've seen town get faulty results in half my theme games. I've seen town get mislynched because of faulty guilty results. I've seen scum get cleared from faulty innocents. The reality is that you never know if the investigation has been screwed with by a redirector, bus driver, lawyer, framer, etc. The benefit of investigations from my perspective is to corroborate behavioral reads (e.g. in RC's recent game, an investigative result corroborated strong townreads on NSG and scumreads on Nico), or to encourage players to reevaluate someone you've been townreading (i.e. to combat confirmation bias). I'd never lynch someone because of a guilty, nor clear someone because of an innocent investigation.

I also think the players talking about "game-throwing" in this game because we outed Varsoon's information are overreacting. We outed some information. So what? If he dies, he dies. If he doesn't, he doesn't. The benefit of outing him is that we're getting stronger townreads on his slot, as well as valuable behavioral reactions from Nancy. From my perspective, that's much more useful than keeping his information hidden. I feel more comfortable townreading both him & Nancy after this, which means we're refining our reads in productive ways due to Varsoon's play. It also hedges against the risk that he dies before he outs the information. I see this as a win-win.

And i've had games where i've had to drag townies kicking and screaming to a win because they didn't want to lynch real scum that I had a guilty on because "they are so obviously town". Truth is most people just aren't that good at reading others and results are far more reliable.

I think you ideally need to pay attention to BOTH. Ignoring either one, is gamethrowing in my mind.

[AlmostNancy]

@nauci ah the newbie one - that one was a very unusual one so town had some luck in that one. Wasn't foreseeing a lynch on either of us in that newbie game
The quick hammer came from town too
Fun times .

There's at least two scum in Key, Mew, Mitillos, Xtom, or

Performer

.

Key should be investigating within this group

if he isn't lynched today.

I agree with this.

xtox has become a null read instead of an sr. Keys has dropped in read for me but as a claimed investigative, Keys should be able to help narrow down the pool in here - and we could sort as time goes on, if it's a fake claim.

I've got AN , Nauci , tw as tr.

I thought you were paying attention in YGM?

[Mewtaph]

Hard to make content when you don't have the right people to do it with you.

suss my read list

ignoring your position, where am I right/wrong and why?

Not going to go into this today.

As the top wagon you don't really have another chance soooooo

lol get me to L-1 and claim to hammer if you want my info

[AlmostNancy]

Why aren't you townreading me, Performer?

He modded me in YGM and then he said I miseppped Kokichi. I’m doing pretty much the same thing here I did in YGM.

[Xtoxm]

{Varsoon}
{AlmostNancy}
{Keyser, Nauci}
{tw, skitter30, Mewtaph}
{Mitillos, Performer, shoshin}

something like this idrk, koki's play is super underwhelming atm and self resolves anyway.
and igaf about associatives when we have only dead town really plus we have multiball basically so not all scum are together
worst i have paranoia about you im sorry i can go into it if you want
nauci continually responding to things i say makes me feel like shes town but at the same time im worried to put her too far up the list.

[AlmostNancy]

Zerg? *confused*. Don’t you mean infested terran? I thought Zergs were monsters who couldn’t do that?

Infested terran are Zerg. The Terran units are infested by Zerg.

Oh. Thanks for clarifying that.

[Xtoxm]

Hard to make content when you don't have the right people to do it with you.

suss my read list

ignoring your position, where am I right/wrong and why?

Not going to go into this today.

As the top wagon you don't really have another chance soooooo

lol get me to L-1 and claim to hammer if you want my info

shit like this town pings me fairly hard