Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[AlmostNancy]

Non-Normal Roles that CAN be in this game include:
Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Bus Driver,

Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector

, Framer, Vanillaizer, Arsonist, Godfather

straight up, yeah

I regret signing up

I don’t see any evidence for a lightening rod but a bus driver? Possibly?

I didn't realize these were the parameters

I am absolutely policy opposed to being in any game with lightning rods

I'm not over my previous terrible experience

I was scum in Overkill 1 and that totally messed up everything.

I don’t see any evidence for one. Only one kill, yesterday and a vt - points to there not being one in this game. A bus driver/redirector/nexus OTOH, is possible.

[the worst]

a nexus would kinda make sense but also i'd cry

[AlmostNancy]

a nexus would kinda make sense but also i'd cry

What about some bus driver/redirector/nexus with a random modifier, what would that be called? We had plenty of that in DnD Mafia.

I guess you’d definitely be desolate in that case. But what can possibly be worse than the amnesiac cop’s results being recieved by an SK - who was deliberately picked by the mod, no less.

Talk about being devastated.

[Nauci]

There's a witch in this game

There's no mafiawiki article for it, but this is the description on Mafia universe

Role Description:

The Witch is an independently aligned player who can target and control another player every night. The target will be notified that they are being controlled. The Witch's action will only work on roles that have abilities that target other people at night, and the action controlled by the Witch cannot be roleblocked. Furthermore, the Witch will be viewed as town-aligned if investigated. The Witch is allowed to make players self-target or even target the Witch. The Witch wins the game by surviving to see the town lose the game.

But I've been informed that the witch role in this game is, in multiple ways, different from that one. One difference is that it does not prevent role blocking of the redirected action. I do not know the other differences.

I was role blocked both N1 and N2, but only witched on N2.

The witch knows what my night action is, which is why I'm confessing that I have one, but I do not intend to claim it (yet).

Be sure to note: town does not need to kill the witch to win, because it is a non-killing role if there are no killing roles it can redirect (but it might count as a town killing role if, say, there is a town vig it could still redirect?

@Krazy can you confirm or deny this?

). But it can only win by being alive when town otherwise loses.

I'm pretty mad that this game has a high chance of ruining my 12-2 record because it seems preeeeetty difficult of a setup for town to win.

With a non-gun-flavor zerg/mafia faction, and

at least

1 town vig, and a pgo, I basically refuse to believe town was given a Gunsmith because it would be stacking the deck further against town essentially...

In combination with the night kills and Keyser's play, I am extremely, extremely suspicious of him.

[Nauci]

If it was a redirect that killed creature, it would still have to be an intentional kill, because unless this witch is different, the role gets to find out what the night action they are redirecting is.

I believe that there are 2 roles left with a gun flavor kill ability, and a scum role blocker.

[AlmostNancy]

There's a witch in this game

There's no mafiawiki article for it, but this is the description on Mafia universe

Role Description:

The Witch is an independently aligned player who can target and control another player every night. The target will be notified that they are being controlled. The Witch's action will only work on roles that have abilities that target other people at night, and the action controlled by the Witch cannot be roleblocked. Furthermore, the Witch will be viewed as town-aligned if investigated. The Witch is allowed to make players self-target or even target the Witch. The Witch wins the game by surviving to see the town lose the game.

But I've been informed that the witch role in this game is, in multiple ways, different from that one. One difference is that it does not prevent role blocking of the redirected action. I do not know the other differences.

I was role blocked both N1 and N2, but only witched on N2.

The witch knows what my night action is, which is why I'm confessing that I have one, but I do not intend to claim it (yet).

Be sure to note: town does not need to kill the witch to win, because it is a non-killing role if there are no killing roles it can redirect (but it might count as a town killing role if, say, there is a town vig it could still redirect?

@Krazy can you confirm or deny this?

). But it can only win by being alive when town otherwise loses.

I'm pretty mad that this game has a high chance of ruining my 12-2 record because it seems preeeeetty difficult of a setup for town to win.

With a non-gun-flavor zerg/mafia faction, and

at least

1 town vig, and a pgo, I basically refuse to believe town was given a Gunsmith because it would be stacking the deck further against town essentially...

In combination with the night kills and Keyser's play, I am extremely, extremely suspicious of him.

You were roleblocked 2 nights in a row?

[the worst]

some shit is going on

[the worst]

asdfghjkl;'

i have some spicy spec

so so so don't want to claim before keyser tho

[the worst]

kokichi*

[AlmostNancy]

If it was a redirect that killed creature, it would still have to be an intentional kill, because unless this witch is different, the role gets to find out what the night action they are redirecting is.

I believe that there are 2 roles left with a gun flavor kill ability, and a scum role blocker.

Why are you so certain. that there’s a witch in this game? Because you were RB’d twice?

[Nauci]

Targeting the same person on consecutive nights with roleblock is permitted in the game, unless there are other restrictions involved.

[the worst]

@Nancy, Nauci said she's informed

[the worst]

i really want to claim

[the worst]

i think my guilty is more jank than i expected though

[Nauci]

If it was a redirect that killed creature, it would still have to be an intentional kill, because unless this witch is different, the role gets to find out what the night action they are redirecting is.

I believe that there are 2 roles left with a gun flavor kill ability, and a scum role blocker.

Why are you so certain. that there’s a witch in this game? Because you were RB’d twice?

Because the witch role differs from redirector in 2 primary ways: witches are informed of what night action they get to redirect is, and the player being redirected are informed that they have been witched/redirected (but not where to). It's unclear if the first part applies here, but I was informed that I was witched, and that it does not prevent the night action from being roleblocked.

N1 I was roleblocked, and N2 I was both witched and roleblocked.

[the worst]

nauci have i softed too hard or should i wait for kokichi

[Nauci]

Did kokichi already flavor claim?

[the worst]

yeah he said he's the main character or something

[the worst]

(i'm sorry i'm bad at this)

[AlmostNancy]

@AlNan: No, there are absolutely no ninjas in the game. No town ninjas, now non-town ninjas, no ninjas whatsoever. Also, I've been looking at a starcraft wiki, and I would like you to look back extremely carefully and think really hard about whether your information makes Kokichi more suspicious.

@Performer: I (and others) did ask for explanations. The reasoning didn't track. And it wasn't just about Mewtaph.

@skitter: It's not that town can't be illogical. I am also townleaning on AlNan, and you will recall I said that they've used fallacious reasoning before. But someone whose reasoning follows and is plainly possible to understand is more likely to be town, simply because they are not relying on fallacies; i.e. errors.

@Varsoon:

Out of curiosity, do you get a result if scum try to kill someone and are blocked/jailkept, or only if their kill is actually attempted, as it were? In other words, does it look like there could be a jailkeeper around? Also, along the same lines, if you happen to be jailkept, will you still get whatever results you'd normally get

?

Incidentally, Keyser's role, if true, is more of a half-investigative one (in that it doesn't tell us as much as a real investigative role). I wouldn't be surprised if in addition to his, we also have another less effective investigative role, like a watcher or something.

In light of Nauci saying she’d been roleblocked twice, I rememembered this post. Probably not revelant though.

[AlmostNancy]

@Nancy, Nauci said she's informed

There's a witch in this game

There's no mafiawiki article for it, but this is the description on Mafia universe

Role Description:

The Witch is an independently aligned player who can target and control another player every night. The target will be notified that they are being controlled. The Witch's action will only work on roles that have abilities that target other people at night, and the action controlled by the Witch cannot be roleblocked. Furthermore, the Witch will be viewed as town-aligned if investigated. The Witch is allowed to make players self-target or even target the Witch. The Witch wins the game by surviving to see the town lose the game.

But

I've been informed

that the witch role in this game is, in multiple ways, different from that one. One difference is that it does not prevent role blocking of the redirected action. I do not know the other differences.

I was role blocked both N1 and N2, but only witched on N2.

The witch knows what my night action is, which is why I'm confessing that I have one, but I do not intend to claim it (yet).

Be sure to note: town does not need to kill the witch to win, because it is a non-killing role if there are no killing roles it can redirect (but it might count as a town killing role if, say, there is a town vig it could still redirect?

@Krazy can you confirm or deny this?

). But it can only win by being alive when town otherwise loses.

I'm pretty mad that this game has a high chance of ruining my 12-2 record because it seems preeeeetty difficult of a setup for town to win.

With a non-gun-flavor zerg/mafia faction, and

at least

1 town vig, and a pgo, I basically refuse to believe town was given a Gunsmith because it would be stacking the deck further against town essentially...

In combination with the night kills and Keyser's play, I am extremely, extremely suspicious of him.

You were roleblocked 2 nights in a row?

OIC

[AlmostNancy]

yeah he said

he's the main character

or something

Meaning what, exactly? Who would that be?

[the worst]

yeah he said

he's the main character

or something

Meaning what, exactly? Who would that be?

i can't remember and can't find it rn

[Nauci]

I have no idea if a witch could bypass restrictions like even-night and cause creature to shoot Irrelephant11 N1

If not, then I wonder who was witched N1 who has not informed the thread that this happened

[Nauci]

yeah he said

he's the main character

or something

Meaning what, exactly? Who would that be?

i can't remember and can't find it rn

Oh right he claimed Jim Raynor