Micro 839: Two-in-One (its over)

[Irrelephant11]

Yeah I noticed Maki’s no lynch vote too but when I traced it back to its source it was clearly RVS (unmoved because Maki has agreed to focus on Bird for now)

[xyzzy]

She'll be fine as long as i dont conform to one thing. He's probably dealt with worse.

nah actually go fuck yourself

[Elsa Jay]

Welp I burned that bridge mighty fast. Alexa play Megalovania.

[Elsa Jay]

Re: the interaction with Maki, it was invalidated when she identified herself.

Pine, can you tell me why that, just because Maki is not who you thought they were, you're changing to a meta-read on the slot? What about the actions she already did? Do you townread her for those actions, or is it really only retroactive since you know they are Maria now?

[Errantparabola]

respect people's pronouns and it wont be an issue

[Pine]

Re: the interaction with Maki, it was invalidated when she identified herself.

Pine, can you tell me why that, just because Maki is not who you thought they were, you're changing to a meta-read on the slot? What about the actions she already did? Do you townread her for those actions, or is it really only retroactive since you know they are Maria now?

Much of my read on Maki was predicated on them being a relatively new player with no personal history and (likely) a poorly-defined meta. Maki=Maria invalidated all those assumptions.

“They’ve likely had worse” is a condescending excuse which is dismissive of a very real thing. It costs you nothing to respect their identity.

[Elsa Jay]

Spoiler: For non-game related apologies

For the gamesake I will apologize to xyzzy and hope xyzzy forgives me at a later time. Wanted to build up on a joke to use "comical third option" as a way to transition back to they but then this happened. It clearly was in poor tastes and won't happen again.

I am sorry.

Still feels weird of you to throw away everything of the read you had though, Pine. A first impression always gives you a gut feeling about their character.

[Pine]

But the first impression was based on a faulty assumption.

Not

throwing it away would just be stubbornness.

Besides, I still haven't re-evaluated in the new light. It might not go well for Makiria.

[Maki Harukawa]

Alright now that holiday stuff is over let's get to it

[Maki Harukawa]

Can you talk more about the difference between Xyzzy and Persivul here?

Persviuls overall posting I've been townreading much harder then anything XYZ put forward so that's why I XYZ over Pers

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 1.5

C14

Elsa Jay

(1): xyzzy

No Lynch

(1): Maki Harukawa

Not Voting

(5): Pine, Taly, Elsa Jay, Irrelephant11, Persivul

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to achieve majority.

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B7

Elsa Jay

(2): Taly, xyzzy

xyzzy

(2): Maki Harukawa, Elsa Jay

Persivul

(1): Irrelephant11

Not Voting

(2): Pine, Persivul

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to achieve majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2019-01-04 17:37:00)

Persivul is V/LA until the 31st.
Officially prodding Taly.

[Taly]

omg i was just about to post

made a separate window when i previewed and saw the VC

[Taly]

I've been typing and looking at the screen for around 30-45 minutes.

Until I realized, that I'm either going to become a broken record with questions/assessments and pull teeth more, or lose the somewhat-declining strength with more than one read I have, or both.

I need to shift my approach.



VOTE: C14 vote Maki Harukawa

I'm rereading the thread and evaluating by Monday - likely ISO-diving, and hopefully

Persivul

would be done with his VLA so the playerlist can work toward being on the same wavelength.

[Errantparabola]

Prodding Irrelephant. xyzzy will receive one in an hour.

[Irrelephant11]

Why Maki? @taly
@maki what do you think of Persivul scumreading me for wanting him to explain his scumread of me? Like??

[Maki Harukawa]

@maki what do you think of Persivul scumreading me for wanting him to explain his scumread of me? Like??

It's one of those things where I think it has to come from town because I don't see scum looking at a post like that and going 'yeah that's okay to post.' It's just so ?????

[xyzzy]

@xyzzy

Where did you get the idea that I scumread low activity players?

Has your opinion on how to handle this game changed with

Elsa's

recent explanations?

it's more to do with you seeming to value high activity -- the way you've express frustration when you've come back to the thread and there's not been a ton of new content a couple of times comes off as very "no one else is trying as hard as me, who is town." it's possible I'm misinterpreting this and you don't actually base any reads off of that, but that's the sense I've gotten from you.

I think the two philosophies on how to play this game fundamentally come down to optimism vs pragmatism; yeah, we could try to find a scummy lynch in both games, and maybe we'd hit two scum, but there are so many ways that plan can go south. a plan where there's a high chance of a mislynch is obviously one that comes with a possibility of losing, but if your plan to win is to just never mislynch and you haven't figured out what you're gonna do when that does almost inevitably happen, you're probably gonna do even worse.

[Pine]

Pretty sure the best lynch is Elsa here

[Elsa Jay]

Pretty sure the best lynch is Elsa here

Pretty sure you should put your eggs in 1 basket and provide a case so we can all judge you firmly for this claim.

[Taly]

Why Maki? @taly
@maki what do you think of Persivul scumreading me for wanting him to explain his scumread of me? Like??

The points on my readslist stand 135

Added Points:
-

Maki

never elaborated or responded to the points against

Elsa

, she's suspected and minimized any points directed toward him. 98 and 138
-

Maki's

kept her No Lynch vote on C14 for several pages now, and I doubt that it's "just RVS" at this moment.

I'm also pretty tired of my scumreads side-stepping me here. I can't think of a clear town-motive of not responding to multiple prompts of discussion when there's two games to dissect, and I've seen this behavior come most often from scum in my experience. I don't think there's a lot of strength or fire in my scumreads, but I think it's just about the most that has been presented in this game.

@xyzzy

, you've done nothing but game theory this entire dayphase while ignoring ANY attempt at town agreeing on a game approach, what are you basing your reads off of?

Especially the double-vote on

Elsa

despite them actually explaining their thought process in the past page or so?

~

Would really like to hear

Pine's

case for

Elsa

because minus

Irrelephant's

earlier push, I think I'm the only person who has cased and detailed a scumread.

At the moment, I'm a bit doubtful anyone rolled scum/scum this game, given the lack of vindication in the thread. As well as the specific setup discussion.

Will get around to more in depth analysis later, my parents went to spend the week with my brother who is stationed in South Korea. So me, my other sister and brother, have chores to do since friends are coming over.

[Taly]

How hard do I have to pull teeth to get someone to bite?

[xyzzy]

@xyzzy

, you've done nothing but game theory this entire dayphase while ignoring ANY attempt at town agreeing on a game approach, what are you basing your reads off of?

Especially the double-vote on

Elsa

despite them actually explaining their thought process in the past page or so?

this first part is just................................ factually incorrect. like go read my ISO and tell me that I've done nothing but setup theorize

also you're implying that my vote on Elsa Jay is based on me disagreeing with his lynch plan, which is not remotely true???

all of these questions are pulled completely out of your ass and in no way accurately reflect anything I've done

[Pine]

Dude, Taly, I’ve pretty extensively discussed my suspicions of Elsa. ISO me.

[Maki Harukawa]

Maki's kept her No Lynch vote on C14 for several pages now, and I doubt that it's "just RVS" at this moment.

Considering I've said I'm focusing on one game and I've been voting in the B7 game. Yes it's RVS although I don't see how even if the vote wasn't RVS it'd be scimmy

[Elsa Jay]

I wanted to focus on Bird but we're reaching the deadline faster then anticipated, due to holidays or lazyness if up to debate.

I'll be here more tommorow and I hope the 7 of us can get a discussion going.