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Post Post #400 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:33 am

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Official Vote Count 2.01 linked lists
It's really useful being able to group things together into pairs. It would be even more useful if we could somehow link more than 2 things together into a list. Does a language derived from a language called LISt Processer have such a thing?

The syntax for it is
(list x y z)
and the notation for explaining that list can take an arbitrary number of objects is actually
(list x . y)
which looks like a pair, but you'll see why y is standing in for an arbitrary number of things in a second.

(list)
is a bit of syntactic sugar. We could just write:

(cons a
(cons b
(cons c
(cons d e)
)
)
)
to generate a list (a b c d e).

Why are these two things the same? To answer this, we need to look at what list actually does.

+---+---+ +---+---+ +---+---+ +---+---+ +---+---+ | | -|-->| | -|-->| | -|-->| | --->| | / | +_|_+___+ +_|_+___+ +_|_+___+ +_|_+___+ +_|_+___+ | | | | | \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / . . . . . "Alice" "Bob" "Carol" "Daniel" "Edith"


This is a linked list. A linked list is a bunch of pairs. The car of each pair is a pointer that points to (the memory location of) some object, in this case a string, but it could be pointing to a procedure or a number or anything at all. The cdr of each pair is a pointer that points to the (memory location of the) car of the next item in a list. You don't have to know what the memory location is; that's figured out for you internally. The cdr of the item in the list links to the null list,
'()
, which is just an empty list whose value is null (or nil in lisp), and is a signal that the list is over.

Scheme, and lisps in general provide a lot of abbreviations for working with lists. We'll look at some of them today.

(car
("Alice" "Bob" "Carol" "Daniel" "Edith")
)

"Alice"
(cdr
("Alice" "Bob" "Carol" "Daniel" "Edith")
)

("Bob" "Carol" "Daniel" "Edith")
(cadr
("Alice" "Bob" "Carol" "Daniel" "Edith")
) ; the car of the cdr

"Bob"
(cddr
("Alice" "Bob" "Carol" "Daniel" "Edith")
) ; the cdr of the cdr

("Carol" "Daniel" "Edith")
(caddr
("Alice" "Bob" "Carol" "Daniel" "Edith")
) ; the car of the cdr of the cdr

"Carol"

And so on, four levels deep. If we had a multdimensional list like ((1 2) (3 4) (5)) then you might need to talk about the caar to get the car of the car or I think cadadr would get the 4 out of the list.

In practice you should be able to use simple recursion to only have to work with the car and the cdr.

If you want to work with linked lists then lisps are pretty good at that. If you really want an array then you might prefer to work in a language where your arrays don't have to be disguised linked lists. Things that are linked lists in real life: Trains, chains, strings of holiday lights, conga lines.

Things that are not linked lists in real life: cats, doorbells, pizza.




LynchingWith 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Child
(3): teacher, EGL, Clemency

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(4): Emperor flippyNips, u r a person 2, Amzela, Child

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(expired on 2019-01-10 08:00:00).


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Post Post #401 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:43 am

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Good morning everyone.

Loop was Town actually? Huh. I guess those were actually voting shenanigans.

Emp was on V/LA until New Years right? So if people would be okay waiting until Emp posts after Child too before hammering happens?
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Post Post #402 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:30 am

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EGL, how did the dici flip affect your views on amz?
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Post Post #403 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:34 am

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In post 398, Child wrote:give me like 3 hours and i will post reads
child =(
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Post Post #404 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:28 am

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Sorry everyone the holidays kept me busy & works been long so a little hard to keep up here, a lot going on.
To me I have a scum read on child and a lean on Clem, he said that when he’s scum he wants town to dismiss him
And I have a null read on amzela but I haven’t been able to read the interaction between her and teacher yet.
I thought I had sent my reads out before but I guess I never submited and lost them? Oh well
Oh right & on UR im getting townie vibes but I’m not sure I’m skeptical
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Post Post #405 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:58 am

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In post 402, teacher wrote:EGL, how did the dici flip affect your views on amz?
I've been thinking about that a lot, actually. Would you just like the end result or would you like as much of my thinking process as I can remember?
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Post Post #406 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:00 am

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In post 404, Emperor flippyNips wrote:Sorry everyone the holidays kept me busy & works been long so a little hard to keep up here, a lot going on.
To me I have a scum read on child and a lean on Clem, he said that when he’s scum he wants town to dismiss him
And I have a null read on amzela but I haven’t been able to read the interaction between her and teacher yet.
I thought I had sent my reads out before but I guess I never submited and lost them? Oh well
Oh right & on UR im getting townie vibes but I’m not sure I’m skeptical
Thank you for offering your reads.
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Post Post #407 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:56 am

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@EGL Oh whoops I guess I forgot yours too... right?.. yeah my B
I think I have a town lean on you also but give me a sec more like 20 min to read thru your ISO but I’m pretty sure you’re town for the moment
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Post Post #408 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:20 pm

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In post 405, EGL wrote:
In post 402, teacher wrote:EGL, how did the dici flip affect your views on amz?
I've been thinking about that a lot, actually. Would you just like the end result or would you like as much of my thinking process as I can remember?
Either - I appreciate the offer but don’t want to make you do make work so just type whatever you feel appropriate.
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Post Post #409 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:35 pm

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In post 403, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 398, Child wrote:give me like 3 hours and i will post reads
child =(
where you go tho

I'm hammering this tomorrow morning if no new posts
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Post Post #410 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:43 pm

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for the record im central us so that's like 12-15 hrs
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Post Post #411 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:44 pm

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So, if you cant tell, schools back in session so Im going to be contributing a bit less. Though I wish there was a lot more action in here today than there has been. Perhaps we are all awaiting the lynch, but I want to sort a bit more for future days if needed. I can make up some topics to discuss if people want, like:

I started the day with Clem as my new strongest town-read. There are the reasons I gave in , but also more -- namely the night events. I think Loop (posthumous short-name apologies, btw) silently strongly townread Clem coming out of their 1-v-1. There was a tonal degree of affection in his discussing Clem as a "memey" player who doesnt mind that appearance that suggests a townread. I dont see Clem ever killing loop N1.

I think there is a lot more info to be gleaned out of the NK as well as the flip. But I want to call upon @Child to do an NKA uncolored by my thoughts, since the request for his reads are a little outdated after flips (and no doubt the NKA would color his reads anyways). I can share my thoughts after that.

But @Flippy, since I already did share the Clem aspect of my NKA (and VCA), can you speak more on your scumread -- i.e., respond to the points here and in 393 (linked two paragraphs above)?

@Board, anybody else have strong read changes from NKA or catching back up?

PEdit:UNVOTE: please. Why not a 3d time.
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Post Post #412 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:51 pm

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In post 401, Amzela wrote:Loop was Town actually? Huh. I guess those were actually voting shenanigans.

Emp was on V/LA until New Years right? So if people would be okay waiting until Emp posts after Child too before hammering happens?
Had you read all of page 16 before posting this, or did you jump to the end of the thread for a daystart post?
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Post Post #413 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:58 pm

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i hear you on the whole day going slow thing

but

It is likely the game is slow because the last scum who was under the hammer promised reads and has yet to provide them.

the scumminess of which is an exponential function of time

>one scum left

>guy comes in to L-1 and says he will post in 3 hours.

if he then doesn't post for 24 hours, that's ++scum equity, don't you think, teacher?
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Post Post #414 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:01 pm

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It very much is, but it is also Jan. 3.

I liked the reaction to the immediate pressure, then again it had to be expected all night after the Dici scum flip, so I think its mostly NAI.

There is one aspect of how today has gone that has me quite nervous, however, which is why I want people (child, Flippy, and the board, respectively) to respond to the three questions in 411.
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Post Post #415 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:03 pm

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do you want me to answer you now about nka or do you want me to wait for child/flippy
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Post Post #416 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:04 pm

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Id love to not taint the NKA from child, but if you have any changed reads, you can share them without reasons if you want (or we can wait - up to you).
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Post Post #417 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:28 pm

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NK=night kill. What is NKA?
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Post Post #418 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:28 pm

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Also, at the end of my deliberations I had decided to trust you guys re: amzela.
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Post Post #419 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:14 pm

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In post 417, EGL wrote:NK=night kill. What is NKA?
night kill analysis
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Post Post #420 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:36 pm

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Thank you Clem
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Post Post #421 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:55 pm

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@Clem do you have an investigative role which furnished proof that child is the last scum?
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Post Post #422 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:36 pm

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nope
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Post Post #423 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:44 pm

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eh i was trying something clever
you can hammer child
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Post Post #424 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:44 pm

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oh wait teacher unvoted
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