Mini 2052: Downtown Train Mafia - Game Over!

[TheGoldenParadox]

VOTE: brass

because obvscum trying to pretend maths is hard.

UNVOTE: brass

because ff8 is my second favorite ff

Why can't you even place a vote?

i can already tell this i'm going to struggle this game given my relative unfamiliarity with the playerlist.

@dva and auro

, i would appreciate both/either of you being active and helping me out this game, if you're town.

oops, thought i had responded to this earlier.

Unfamiliar shouldn't be an auto struggle. Just new experiences and new people and perspectives to see.

well, that's true – it's just that i'm somewhat confident that a playerlist having experience with each other is a massive benefit for town (and i think that that could be proven somehow, although i wouldn't know how). at the very least, i obviously find it a lot easier to sort players who i've played with before, and it's usually easier for me as well when other players can sort me as town easily.

Tbh Allomancer's reaction to the wagon on him sounds pretty towny.

~Auro

you think so? i'm pretty null on it, really.

I don't like this very much, part of the challenge of mafia is to read people you haven't played with. NAI, but eh.

I'm going to sustain my vote on Amor - I'm getting a light scummy trace from their posts, especially 55 - just giving me a bad taste in my mouth. Hoever,

FoS

Jay for 62 because that is an overreaction.

[brassherald]

VOTE: brass

because obvscum trying to pretend maths is hard.

UNVOTE: brass

because ff8 is my second favorite ff

Why can't you even place a vote?

Because he's scum trying to pretend like he's not trying to wagon. I did that in my first game as scum. Classic scum tell.

[northsidegal]

I don't like this very much, part of the challenge of mafia is to read people you haven't played with. NAI, but eh.

you don't like the fact that i would like it if the game was easier to solve?

what is "but eh" supposed to mean?

[Lady Angel]

Votecount 1.03:

Darth Vader: 1 (Allomancer)

Allomancer: 3 (RCEnigma, Darth Vader, Bambi Jay)

Amor: 2 (TheGoldenParadox, Northsidegal)
TonyMontana: 1 (Brassherald)
Bambi Jay: 2 (TonyMontana, Amor)

Not Voting:

Leading Wagons are in bold.

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The following players have yet to post and will be prodded if they do not post before the next votecount: TonyMontana

Day 1 ends on Wednesday, January 23rd at 6:00 PM PST, or 17 days, 22 hours and 13 minutes from this post.

[Darth Vader]

Tbh Allomancer's reaction to the wagon on him sounds pretty towny.

~Auro

what? I don't see it -D

[Robert2424]

I don't like this very much, part of the challenge of mafia is to read people you haven't played with. NAI, but eh.

you don't like the fact that i would like it if the game was easier to solve?

what is "but eh" supposed to mean?

him trying to sound smart really.

[brassherald]

TGP, amor has 5 posts and very little content. What's scummy in there outside of 55?

[Darth Vader]

I was doing exactly that when explaining my qualms with Bambi. I didn't have a read on Allomancers slot until Bambi's vote because I asked myself what a town!Bambi vote would mean and why and then did the same with Scum!Bambi.

Bambi's individual scum equity related directly with Allomancer in my opinion.

Town!Bambi could vote there because wagons, because reactions. It's a pretty generic action to bring someone to L-2.

Scum!Bambi could also vote there because it's a generic move, and thus no real harm to do as scum.

I still can't see why bussing is any more probable here. Anyway, aside from that - If your read on Allo is informed by Jay being scum voting there, why would you vote Allo over Jay?

If I'm assuming 2 scum in a 10 person game then 1 in 5 slots is scum. Chances are on a wagon of 4 people (myself, Darth, Robert, Bambi) with the wagonee included there is at least 1 scum in that grouping. Bambi's vote stuck out to me as the scummiest.

This sounds like you're explaining the obvious. Of course if you take any random set of 4-5 players there's prolly scum in there, statistically. The last statement about Jay's vote being scummy is independent of that. Feels empty.

It's a wagon that likely won't go anywhere. Since town will be hesitant to force a claim. No one should be claiming btw, given the scum win con. Anyway, if it's a wagon that isn't going anywhere then there isn't much incentive for scum to join the wagon aside from distancing.

We will have to lynch someone, so tell me the disadvantage of claiming at L-1 with intent? I don't see how claiming at ITH is detrimental.
Why wouldn't the wagon go anywhere? I'm feeling your thought process here is:
1. Claiming at any time is bad;
2. Wagons are useless because of (1);
3. Scum believes (1) & (2);
4. Scum hence wouldn't wagon unless they're bussing.

Am I right?

-A

[RCEnigma]

I was doing exactly that when explaining my qualms with Bambi. I didn't have a read on Allomancers slot until Bambi's vote because I asked myself what a town!Bambi vote would mean and why and then did the same with Scum!Bambi.

Bambi's individual scum equity related directly with Allomancer in my opinion.

Town!Bambi could vote there because wagons, because reactions. It's a pretty generic action to bring someone to L-2.

Scum!Bambi could also vote there because it's a generic move, and thus no real harm to do as scum.

I still can't see why bussing is any more probable here. Anyway, aside from that - If your read on Allo is informed by Jay being scum voting there, why would you vote Allo over Jay?

If I'm assuming 2 scum in a 10 person game then 1 in 5 slots is scum. Chances are on a wagon of 4 people (myself, Darth, Robert, Bambi) with the wagonee included there is at least 1 scum in that grouping. Bambi's vote stuck out to me as the scummiest.

This sounds like you're explaining the obvious. Of course if you take any random set of 4-5 players there's prolly scum in there, statistically. The last statement about Jay's vote being scummy is independent of that. Feels empty.

It's a wagon that likely won't go anywhere. Since town will be hesitant to force a claim. No one should be claiming btw, given the scum win con. Anyway, if it's a wagon that isn't going anywhere then there isn't much incentive for scum to join the wagon aside from distancing.

We will have to lynch someone, so tell me the disadvantage of claiming at L-1 with intent? I don't see how claiming at ITH is detrimental.
Why wouldn't the wagon go anywhere? I'm feeling your thought process here is:
1. Claiming at any time is bad;
2. Wagons are useless because of (1);
3. Scum believes (1) & (2);
4. Scum hence wouldn't wagon unless they're bussing.

Am I right?

-A

We don't know how many crewmembers there are. Every claim gets scum closer to their wincon but doesn't get town closer to ours. Of 10 slots scum only have to hunt down in what I assume is 8 slots. I just think any claims are antitown except in endgame situations.

I literally voted Allo to start the game. I don't start the game with the knowledge of who scum is so that's a rather silly question. If you are asking why I didn't move my vote to Jay it's because I think both Allo and Jay are scum. Still a silly question, my stance is pretty clear.

[TheGoldenParadox]

I don't like this very much, part of the challenge of mafia is to read people you haven't played with. NAI, but eh.

you don't like the fact that i would like it if the game was easier to solve?

what is "but eh" supposed to mean?

Of course it'd be better if the game was easier to solve, but complaining that you're going to struggle with this game given your unfamiliarity with the playerlist just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It is mostly NAI, and not enough to get a scumread on, but just wanted to put that out there.

TGP, amor has 5 posts and very little content. What's scummy in there outside of 55?

Nothing much - that's why the read is light. We're on page five, everyone has a few posts and very little content.

[Robert2424]

Vote Tony

Filp Flopity.

[brassherald]

Vote Tony

Filp Flopity.

Yes!

Runaway train never coming back.... Something something about maybe a track!

[TonyMontana]

Because he's scum trying to pretend like he's not trying to wagon. I did that in my first game as scum. Classic scum tell.

My account is older than the website, this is clearly not my first game

as scum.

[Robert2424]

Well, he admitted being scum....lol

[Bambi Jay]

Where did the Allomancer push go.

[Allomancer]

VOTE: Robert2424

Don't post if you're not going to contribute to the game. Most of your posts are unproductive.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Because he's scum trying to pretend like he's not trying to wagon. I did that in my first game as scum. Classic scum tell.

My account is older than the website, this is clearly not my first game

as scum.

How is your account older than the website?
Why the last part?

Where did the Allomancer push go.

Why was it a thing in the first place?

[TheGoldenParadox]

VOTE: Robert2424

Don't post if you're not going to contribute to the game. Most of your posts are unproductive.

With all due respect, most of our posts are unproductive. It's still pretty much RVS.

[Lady Angel]

Votecount 1.04:

Robert2424: 1 (Allomancer)

Allomancer: 3 (RCEnigma, Darth Vader, Bambi Jay)

Amor: 2 (TheGoldenParadox, Northsidegal)
TonyMontana: 2 (Brassherald, Robert2424)
Bambi Jay: 2 (TonyMontana, Amor)

Not Voting:

Leading Wagons are in bold.

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The following players have yet to post and will be prodded if they do not post before the next votecount: Northsidegal, Amor

Day 1 ends on Wednesday, January 23rd at 6:00 PM PST, or 16 days, 22 hours and 21 minutes from this post.

[Darth Vader]

We don't know how many crewmembers there are. Every claim gets scum closer to their wincon but doesn't get town closer to ours. Of 10 slots scum only have to hunt down in what I assume is 8 slots. I just think any claims are antitown except in endgame situations.

At L-1 with intent, whatever slot's

going to be lynched anyway

.
So the crew member claims, and your worry is that scum kills them in the night.
But if they

don't

claim and we lynch them, they die anyway.
Which means we don't get a scumlynch that day, and scum aren't gated to that nightkill and we sure-fire lose town that night.
Obviously they should claim if they're about to be hammered.

I literally voted Allo to start the game. I don't start the game with the knowledge of who scum is so that's a rather silly question. If you are asking why I didn't move my vote to Jay it's because I think both Allo and Jay are scum. Still a silly question, my stance is pretty clear.

Jay's position on the wagon made you think Jay's scummily associated to Allo.
If X does something that's indicative of X being scumbuddies with Y, I assert it's better to lynch X first and not Y.
Besides, you haven't answered whether my read of your thought process was right.
If it is, then it's very far-fetched/wonky and I'm placing a FoS on your slot.

Moving our vote to TonyMontana, for reasons I've stated earlier.
VOTE: TonyMontana

[RCEnigma]

We don't know how many crewmembers there are. Every claim gets scum closer to their wincon but doesn't get town closer to ours. Of 10 slots scum only have to hunt down in what I assume is 8 slots. I just think any claims are antitown except in endgame situations.

At L-1 with intent, whatever slot's

going to be lynched anyway

.
So the crew member claims, and your worry is that scum kills them in the night.
But if they

don't

claim and we lynch them, they die anyway.
Which means we don't get a scumlynch that day, and scum aren't gated to that nightkill and we sure-fire lose town that night.
Obviously they should claim if they're about to be hammered.

I literally voted Allo to start the game. I don't start the game with the knowledge of who scum is so that's a rather silly question. If you are asking why I didn't move my vote to Jay it's because I think both Allo and Jay are scum. Still a silly question, my stance is pretty clear.

Jay's position on the wagon made you think Jay's scummily associated to Allo.
If X does something that's indicative of X being scumbuddies with Y, I assert it's better to lynch X first and not Y.
Besides, you haven't answered whether my read of your thought process was right.
If it is, then it's very far-fetched/wonky and I'm placing a FoS on your slot.

Moving our vote to TonyMontana, for reasons I've stated earlier.
VOTE: TonyMontana

If you argue that jays vote A) wasn't suspicious and B) could come as town or scum why would my order matter for you? If they aren't both scum then one of the two is.

With the outlier being this chainsaw in Jays favor(?) Not sure your position on many slots besides scumreading me and nullreading Amor.

But then your vote on Tony is based on him starting a counterwagon to Allomancer. That would connect Tony to Allomancer anyways. The way you've argued with me makes it seem like you think both Jay and Allomancer could be town here, what's scummy about a counterwagon to town then?

[Robert2424]

VOTE: Robert2424

Don't post if you're not going to contribute to the game. Most of your posts are unproductive.

guess I'm not wanted.

[Darth Vader]

Are you still believing claims are *always* detrimental to town? Do you agree with me that L-1 ITH claims are necessary?

I'm picking at your thought process WRT Jay-Allo.
Jay did something that you believe scum would do, and it seems more logical that when someone does something that looks like scum-scum to another, it makes more sense to vote the first. Meh, I'm not able to articulate exactly how, I'll leave it at that.

I'm early-sorting Allo as town, yes.
My vote on Tony is because I find his reaction to the L-2 premature, independent of Allo's alignment.

~Auro

[RCEnigma]

But not Robert jumping ship at L-2?

I still maintain any claim is antitown.

If the read on Jay was independent of Allow may agree and probably would have moved the vote. The two are intertwined in my mind. I understand I could be wrong in my assumption but that doesn't make either slot more or less likely to be town or scum.

[Amor]

Vote Tony

Filp Flopity.

Can you explain your rationale for this vote?

VOTE: Robert2424

Don't post if you're not going to contribute to the game. Most of your posts are unproductive.

This is... not great. If you think someone is scum, you should want them posting a lot. Give them enough rope to hang themselves. It's especially odd coming from someone who wasn't posting at all during that period of time.