In post 2023, Pink Ball wrote:Wait a freaking minute, maybe what you saw as Meph visiting sheep is them giving him this new useless power? And now they're claiming a guilty anticipating that you would visit them? Ooooooh this makes sense.
ya maybe? i was thinking this
i guess i'm wondering why they would have chosen to make him a n6 vig instead of like killing someone last night (i guess i'm implicitly assuming they aren't multi-tasking and that the nk wasn't blocked some other way)
In post 2021, skitter30 wrote:i was considering a 3man scumteam actually. but i think that ... prob isn't what we're dealing with here?
I’ve been rolling this around in my head a while and now I think that could be the case but is unlikely
My final thought is if there’s nothing to account for the kill, Meph could have opted to give the power and not kill knowing she would be Tracker, and decided to give the n6 Vig to sheep which counted as a cost just as a factional kill would.
That would make some sort of sense, as now we are back down to a useless vig and your role again.
In post 2013, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:We got an N2 investigation called an Investigatoire. It gives us either an Innocent (green) or a Guilty (red) on an investigated player. Obviously we targeted Sheep last night, and we returned a Guilty (red) result.
isn't this basically a cop?
like this doesn't function like a gunsmith, rihgt?
In post 2026, Slaxx wrote:My final thought is if there’s nothing to account for the kill, Meph could have opted to give the power and not kill knowing she would be Tracker, and decided to give the n6 Vig to sheep which counted as a cost just as a factional kill would.
If there’s nothing to account for the lack of kill, it’s possible, maybe probable, Meph had to still give that power out and didn’t want to Costa on the Tracker report so she no killed. That would explain pretty much everything in the most parsimonious way.
You know you’re tomorrow’s lynch. You know the Tracker is on you. You have to come up with a solution and you have to give a gift out.
You no kill, so any inno is worthless, and you also give out your compulsive factional gift. Then you claim an investigative role and a guilty that gives you basically a free mislynch and an out to throw up your arms and say it wasn’t your fault the next day, and hope Skitter believes you. This makes more balance sense and makes more sense internally with the mechanics. Instead of 3-4 roles given out it’s still just two.
In post 2030, Slaxx wrote:If there’s nothing to account for the lack of kill, it’s possible, maybe probable, Meph had to still give that power out and didn’t want to Costa on the Tracker report so she no killed. That would explain pretty much everything in the most parsimonious way.
yeah that makes sense
thoughts on mass-claim? i want to check if there was some other way for the nk to go missing (besides shooting me obvs)
If they flip what they said they had, we lynch sheep tomorrow, but I was already scumreading Meph before the day started. I did some research on Aristophanes and him letting Nancy do the talking is scummy from him, especially when everyone said Nancy towntelled, he just coasted away.
Also, I think mastina tried to do some insane things that would make us think "there's no way these two are partners": having NSG as their biggest townread; doing the weird gambit where mastina said she gave Meph a new power, and so on.
p-edit: I'm down for mass claim, I think I already soft claimed a couple of times.
In post 2032, Slaxx wrote:You no kill, so any inno is worthless, and you also give out your compulsive factional gift. Then you claim an investigative role and a guilty that gives you basically a free mislynch and an out to throw up your arms and say it wasn’t your fault the next day, and hope Skitter believes you. This makes more balance sense and makes more sense internally with the mechanics. Instead of 3-4 roles given out it’s still just two.
like i guess the one sticking point i have is that the way that they described recieving their role kinda jives with mine in a few details (i guess i feel angle-shoot-y elaborating)
and this is kinda dubious but like my role pm clarified the implications of results too (ie by specifying that i can track any nk and that there are no killing ninjas)
In post 2032, Slaxx wrote:You no kill, so any inno is worthless, and you also give out your compulsive factional gift. Then you claim an investigative role and a guilty that gives you basically a free mislynch and an out to throw up your arms and say it wasn’t your fault the next day, and hope Skitter believes you. This makes more balance sense and makes more sense internally with the mechanics. Instead of 3-4 roles given out it’s still just two.
like i guess the one sticking point i have is that the way that they described recieving their role kinda jives with mine in a few details (i guess i feel angle-shoot-y elaborating)
and this is kinda dubious but like my role pm clarified the implications of results too (ie by specifying that i can track any nk and that there are no killing ninjas)
bleh i wish we forced them to claim yesterday
That’s fair, I forgot about that piece. I guess that quells that suspicion, but it doesn’t really change the overall point. Occam’s razor worked yesterday and I’m fairly confident it will work today.
In post 1778, skitter30 wrote:i guess there's a slight chance that mastina isn't scum here but a lot of things are pointing in that direction rn for me
Yup
The whole you have to/should lynch me thing feels gambity. Best bet I call those bluffs.
And apparently Meph said her power might not be that great. So.
Out rolechange doesn’t benefit Mastina in anyway.
That’s why I believe she doesn’t know what it is but yeah, not too useful.
How’s a 1-shot cop not useful on a game of 9 with one clear
In post 2042, Pink Ball wrote:podoboq is never scum because mastina would've been bussing on D1 and mastina was a goon so I assume the remaining scum is something better.
i kinda wondered this
my gut says that it's a goon/goon team with a factional-gift-giving ability
i actually wouldn't be surprised if they were scum and she pushed him that way to distance - day1 she consistently went after tw instead of podoboq, and day2 she had to know that there wasn't a chance in hell that podoboq was getting wagoned at her suggestion.
he was never actually in danger of being lynched so i'm not sure we should be clearing him for that
