Newbie 1910: Aerial Photography [Game Over!]

[northsidegal]

VC 2.1

votes

[1] YellowSnow

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Junk 594

[1] GuiltyLion

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YellowSnow 600

[5] Not Voting

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YyottaCat, GrandWazoo, JunkoChan, GuiltyLion, brassherald

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

The Day 2 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-16 15:01:59)

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[JunkoChan]

So we basicly got no power roles now, junk is still unCC doctor and I see no reason to doubt that at this point

I'm a little confused by the setup. Does that mean there could potentially be two scum pr's four town prs and three vanillas?

This post is so out of character for Yellowsnow, for the entirety of day 1 I believe him to be cold minded and fairly smart, maybe he is trying to act foolish here to pretend to not know the setup?

[Junk]

Yes, I agree.

[YellowSnow]

I've never played it before why would I not know it and how would lying benefit me?

[JunkoChan]

Is not lying, I feel like you could be using that kind of comments to say say hey! I have no idea of what's going on! and get a free pass out of it, like why wait until NOW to ask an important question like that uf you trully don't understand how it works?

also your posts are also pretty inconsistent, like Junk pointed out, you either forgot whatever happend day 1 or you are executing a night plan poorly

either of them has you in a bad spot right now in my eyes

VOTE: YellowSnow

[GrandWazoo]

OK I'll be honest - I can talk myself into believing almost every player here is scum.

moony/Yyotta - total black hole of lurkmatter. Moony's was bad, Yyotta if anything has been worse.

brass - railed against the moonywagon as RVS, which wasn't random anymore by the time he replaced in. Said lynching lurkers was worse than lurking itself, and joined my wagon expressly because I was pushing a lurker. Later joined the lynch of compfan, the lurkiest slot of the bunch.

Junk - TW (IC and now-dead Cop) presented a strong case on Nineja. Junk replaced in and proceeded to add like 15 pages in a couple hours, mostly confrontational and distracting hot takes. D2 he's already voted twice.

GL - has been irrationally supportive of me so far, this always gives me the uncomfortable feeling of being pocketed.

The two players I can't see pushing atm

Yellow - The only one I've played with before, once, when we were both town. His playstyle is forthright but at times annoyingly obtuse, as we have also seen this game. I don't see much difference in his play between the two games.

Junko - She's been hard-tunneling me from the jump, yet her overall game has been town as hell. Can be reasoned out of a position she wasn't reasoned into, a trait rarely seen from scum.

Of course I can make town cases for most of y'all too. Junk of course has the virtue of un-cc'd Doc, and his recent play has been less aggro and ad hom. Brass and GL are experienced and appear to be scumhunting in earnest. The exception here is the moony/Yyotta slot. The only town argument I could make is the old standby "but scum couldn't be this overtly bad could they?" In a newbie game, sure they could.

VOTE: Yyotta

[YellowSnow]

Junk may be town but he's very omgusy. When I was defending him I was his best friend.

[YellowSnow]

I don't feel pushing a Lynch on yotta until we hear more from her. Obviously the lurker Lynch didn't go as planned last time although it could have been worse. Lion is the most logical move at this point.

[GuiltyLion]

I've got to look at GL's recent games to see if he takes that shot, since if he's scum, he's probably calling the shots. I'll do that tomorrow night. GL, want to be a bud and link some recent scum games to possibly clear your name?

yup, here you go

most recent traditional scumgame was Newbie 1886, wasn't really a good game from me as we got screwed by missing the PRs with nightshots leading to us messing up counterclaim shenanigans on D3

prior to that was Inventions from Team Mafia, I was playing pretty well D1 I think until Mastina got effectively cop-guiltied and RC went down trying to save her which kinda sank me by POE from there out

and for fun here's a game recently where I was a Mime (basically a jester trying to get lynched) - Paris Mafia. I guess it's my idea of what bad scumplay would look like

[GuiltyLion]

{tw}
{YellowSnow}
{cjv, junko, GrandWazoo}
{computerfan0, GuiltyLion}
{Moony, Nineja}

If you're a cop, whatever you do, do not target players like {brass, yellow, me} with decent high town equity based on a stray suspicion. these are doctor targets not cop targets. we're a lot more likely to be NK'd than slots who aren't suspected. and if the reads on our slots are wrong it's more likely to come out in a later day phase (the question "why is the day one town MVP still alive?" is always a valid question. they could be totally wrong on their reads / pocketed, or they could be scum).

We know the worst flipped town, so to suddenly come at his top town read reaks of scum trying to take advantage of his night kill.

VOTE: lion

YellowSnow's post makes 0 sense as town. Him scumreading me is not a real thought, when I'm unCCed Doctor, and he already said he's scumreading GL and Brass.

He is scum who thinks that the worst townreading him means that he can get away. He was looking for an excuse to bring that up.

I didn't vote you. I just said your line of reasoning is scummy.

this plus d1 is all I need to vote YellowSnow today

you literally said it "reaks of scum", that's a scumread. the fact that you didn't vote him is completely immaterial to the point. also "reaks of scum" is much like the "preying on newbie players" post I called out yesterday, it's scum embellishment in an attempt to make a post look worse than it actually does

and OMGUS gets thrown out as a useless buzzword in nearly every game these days, but this is like an actual textbook example of the original idea of the scumtell. reflexively accusing an accuser of being scum without the townie perspective on what that would mean for the gamestate

[GuiltyLion]

I'm not really sure where I'm looking for a Yellow partner - it's not Junk, and I doubt it's Junko.

brass maybe, some of his posts today feel a little LAMISTY like 604 (if scum decide not to CC the doc then this kinda looks like what I'd expect to try to get towncred for 'authentically' townreading the doc) and 607. brass what "information" are you looking to get out of today in particular?

GW also worth another look, 580 is a bad post with the green compufan flip and 630 is kind of a shotgun of shade towards every slot (including Junk) with no real direction behind it. GW can you quote where you think I'm being "irrationally" supportive of you? I feel like the only thing I remember was answering the worst's questions about why I was townreading you.

yyotta's a possibility but I mislynched them in my last game after they were lurky most of the game and making semi-unreadable worthless posts.

[GuiltyLion]

also YellowSnow shading GW all day early D1 but never voting him and getting cold feet when the hammer opportunity was there may have been scum-scum - trying to get credit in case GW goes down on his redflip yet not doing anything tangible to move the lynch forward. I'm going to bed now but I'll revisit that tomorrow cause I'm thinking I shelved GW as a townread too early and that may have been an all town L-1

[GuiltyLion]

then again, still could have been a WK

GrandWazoo can you give reasons from this game only why you think YellowSnow is town and not worth pushing? "not seeing a difference" between this and his last town game doesn't really cut it for me and I wouldn't describe him being "obtuse" as why he's been scumread

[brassherald]

brass maybe, some of his posts today feel a little LAMISTY like 604 (if scum decide not to CC the doc then this kinda looks like what I'd expect to try to get towncred for 'authentically' townreading the doc) and 607. brass what "information" are you looking to get out of today in particular?

I need some time to really analyze who's playing and considering who takes the NK. Ideally, I'd like to have a day 2 gamesolve.

First step is that tonight when I finally can sit down and read, I review the thread and see what happened. Put the pieces I now know in place and see what comes of them. Second, I need to look into the games you linked for your scum since I really don't know that you, in particular, take that shot at the worst.

And just for the record on not believing doc claims as town, I think you might have been in the game where I as VT tunneled, I want to say UCVoyager, who was town doctor, even after his claim. I don't just automatically believe a PR claim because in my very first game on site, the mafia had a PR claim which was not CCed and we mislynched town due to it. I trusted it without question that game, and I don't ever want to do that again.

[Junk]

And just for the record on not believing doc claims as town, I think you might have been in the game where I as VT tunneled, I want to say UCVoyager, who was town doctor, even after his claim. I don't just automatically believe a PR claim because in my very first game on site, the mafia had a PR claim which was not CCed and we mislynched town due to it. I trusted it without question that game, and I don't ever want to do that again.

Looks like the town PR who decided not to CC is an intellectual

[Junk]

I thought Yellow might have been bussing GL but now I doubt it. GL's treatment of Yellow is pure and not mafia/mafia.

Yellow + GW maybe? IDK

Yellow bussing brass is a possibility, but brass is independently just so towny

Yellow bussing Yotta is also a possibility, but it's just so lazy and random. Yotta could easily be town.

Don't think Junko is scum, as it has been already said by others too.

[brassherald]

And just for the record on not believing doc claims as town, I think you might have been in the game where I as VT tunneled, I want to say UCVoyager, who was town doctor, even after his claim. I don't just automatically believe a PR claim because in my very first game on site, the mafia had a PR claim which was not CCed and we mislynched town due to it. I trusted it without question that game, and I don't ever want to do that again.

Looks like the town PR who decided not to CC is an intellectual

Different set up back then, it was C9 and the only PR in the game was a Jailkeeper who was already dead.

Little did I know in that set up, a One Shot BP claim by scum would be a common gambit.

[Junk]

The second scum is hard to find and I can see us losing :shrug:

But at least scum!Yellow will die for sure.

[YellowSnow]

If you're just going to death tunnel me I'm not going to bother defending myself. Everything youre caccusing me of is just your whim and nothing substantial.

[Junk]

Okay, thanks for making it easier.

[Junk]

ayyyy we doin good bois

[YellowSnow]

You think way to highly of yourself. The only thing you have going for youbis you're the Dr supposedly.

[northsidegal]

Searching for a replacement for YyottaCat.

[GrandWazoo]

GW also worth another look, 580 is a bad post with the green compufan flip and 630 is kind of a shotgun of shade towards every slot (including Junk) with no real direction behind it. GW can you quote where you think I'm being "irrationally" supportive of you? I feel like the only thing I remember was answering the worst's questions about why I was townreading you.

My post r.e. you is mostly a reflection of past experience - more than once I've been suckered by flattering scum, only to learn that I'd been manipulated into defending them against my better judgment. It's not a fun feeling and I've been hypersensitive to the possibility ever since.

The post was less intended to "throw shade" and more a reflection of the fact that no slot strikes me as overtly scummy. We can all talk ourselves into bad scumreads.

yyotta's a possibility but I mislynched them in my last game after they were lurky most of the game and making semi-unreadable worthless posts.

then again, still could have been a WK

GrandWazoo can you give reasons from this game only why you think YellowSnow is town and not worth pushing? "not seeing a difference" between this and his last town game doesn't really cut it for me and I wouldn't describe him being "obtuse" as why he's been scumread

This is regarding several reactions to yellow's failure to comprehend the 9 setups, which was definitely an obtuse oversight but not scummy imo. Junko expressed surprise that such a "cold minded" and "smart" player as yellow would commit such a faux pas (Junk agreed). That exchange between me and yellow about scum vs. town probabilities alone should render both Junko's adjectives non-operational. OTOH it's not the kind of inane argument I'd expect scum to actively engage in the first place. I get why you're scumreading yellow, but if you look at that other game (1906) you'll see the same kind of behavior.

pedit: I see Yyotta's being replaced. Jesus that slot is cursed.

[JunkoChan]

@GrandWazoo I don't like metagaming individual players, there's merit in looking for player's past games to try to catch how they play as scum or town, but playstyles may change with experience, for instance I believe I change my approach to mafia games every other game, you get new ideas from each game.

on topic, if Yellow wasn't acting like he is right now I would remove my vote, but more often than not, noob scums crack like this to pressure