[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[Auro]

Nako (L-2)

: rb, Lamees, Egix96, BBmolla

Ruby Red (L-4)

: Malakitty, Something_Smart

Malakitty (L-4)

: Auro, Nako

Something_Smart (L-5)

: Ruby Red

Lamees (L-5)

: Succinct

i need links if you're going to convince me of anything, doesn't need to be a case but i need you to literally direct me specifically to what you're talking about

On my mobile RN, proper links and cases I'll do it the evening when I get on my computer, few hours from now.

Lamees also I've been sorta townleaning on, one reason being her "IDC I'll lynch anyone" attitude, I'm disliking that she's not even trying to gamesolve.

But yeah, as you said I'm prolly projecting my own idea of good scumplay and townreading people for it so I'll have to re-evaluate there. I've played multiple games with town!Lam and never with scum!Lam, I feel the reasons people were scumreading her are kinda empty TBH.

Given her Angel claim, if she's in your PoE wouldn't she be a better lynch, since if she's town we get the equivalent of a cop check (framer can't operate in Twilight), there's a chance of a false positive on an immortal but I think on a whole it should be useful. Thoughts?

[Something_Smart]

It hasn't changed that much, here is my most recent scumgame. I replaced in late but it's still pretty representative of how I play.

I think Lamees is town, irrespective of the fact that scum know town's roles, angel is a bad fakeclaim and I thought the way she played around the claim was genuine.

[Ruby Red]

Given her Angel claim, if she's in your PoE wouldn't she be a better lynch, since if she's town we get the equivalent of a cop check (framer can't operate in Twilight), there's a chance of a false positive on an immortal but I think on a whole it should be useful. Thoughts?

i know like nothing about the setup and the current claims but it seems like she's like a vengeful or something so kinda sounds good ig?

[Egix96]

@Egix: Nako and SS both have been "coasting" without any rigid stances. If they're scum, it's reasonable to assume they'd coast along some particular agenda in this gamestate, as opposed to placing votes haphazardly. Many of Nako's votes have been vanity -- like her votes on Creature and You -- which makes me believe she's town, and currently ML bait.

If you think Nako's scum, who do you think her buddies are?

You maybe? Smart maybe? I say that because you both have been against lynching her.
I will say though that she's likely not scum with Mala, since I still remember when she moved her vote off me and onto Mala.

[Egix96]

Given her Angel claim, if she's in your PoE wouldn't she be a better lynch, since if she's town we get the equivalent of a cop check (framer can't operate in Twilight), there's a chance of a false positive on an immortal but I think on a whole it should be useful. Thoughts?

i know like nothing about the setup and the current claims but it seems like she's like a vengeful or something so kinda sounds good ig?

Basically yes, but there's a bit more to it than that:
- The Angel can target someone at night in case they get NKed
- Angel shot does not affect townies unless they get "possessed by a Ghost" i.e. framed. Framing only applies if the Angel dies in the night though.
- Angel shot does not affect Immortal either (Godfather equivalent)

[Egix96]

Oh and to clarify, it's the target that has to be framed, not the Angel.

[rb]

can somebody please tell me why mala is scum other than "inactivity"

because 60% of this game is inactive and of all of them she's doing the most actual solving

[Lamees]

It hasn't changed that much, here is my most recent scumgame. I replaced in late but it's still pretty representative of how I play.

I think Lamees is town, irrespective of the fact that scum know town's roles, angel is a bad fakeclaim and I thought the way she played around the claim was genuine.

I have a confession, on night 1 elected to venge kill you were I night killed. Egix night 2. It sucks because now that I read day 3 you and egix actually had the most faith in me as town. Fortunately I wasn't night killed on those 2 nights.

[Succinct]

angel is a bad fakeclaim

Backwards; it's the best. 2 Priests? Stretch. 2 Witch Hunters? Stretch. Sorceress? Lack of second NK condemns. Doctor? Requires not targeting the NK, raising questions as to why they didn't protect the obv-NK. Only claims remotely close to Angel's viability are Sorceress+Trickster, both 1-point roles necessitating the presence of a nonexistent Witch (only 1-point scum role). Angel allows for scum's 2-point role to flip and fit with fakeclaim.

For a start, 2024.

Tell me more.

Wanting to know why someone you're voting's not townreading you's overly defensive.

@Egix: Nako and SS both have been "coasting" without any rigid stances. If they're scum, it's reasonable to assume they'd coast along some particular agenda in this gamestate, as opposed to placing votes haphazardly. Many of Nako's votes have been vanity -- like her votes on Creature and You -- which makes me believe she's town, and currently ML bait.

You give why Nako's town here; I'm disinclined to disagree. However, this defense's specific to Nako.

You note the scum trend you'd expect for Something_Smart and offer no reason why it's absent.

Why's Something_Smart not a focal point for you?

Who'd be SS' partners here if he flips red?

Lamees also I've been sorta townleaning on, one reason being her "IDC I'll lynch anyone" attitude, I'm disliking that she's not even trying to gamesolve.

Given her Angel claim, if she's in your PoE wouldn't she be a better lynch, since if she's town we get the equivalent of a cop check (framer can't operate in Twilight), there's a chance of a false positive on an immortal but I think on a whole it should be useful. Thoughts?

See my vote.

You maybe? Smart maybe? I say that because you both have been against lynching her.

See my 1902.

[rb]

PSA: 24 hours until we lynch someone

[rb]

we kind of need to be consolidated on a wagon(s) asap rather than letting this drag on

[Malakitty]

Alive

And I REFUSE TO HAVE ANOTHER NL

[Malakitty]

VOTE: Nako

L1 btw

[Auro]

You give why Nako's town here; I'm disinclined to disagree. However, this defense's specific to Nako.

You note the scum trend you'd expect for Something_Smart and offer no reason why it's absent.

Why's Something_Smart not a focal point for you?

He's coasting but the same defense doesn't apply to him, he hasn't started vanity wagons at inopportune times. I'm actually down to lynch him over Nako cos I trust Red's read; if we can't get a wagon there I'll hammer Nako before deadline though.

[Something_Smart]

I'm definitely not townreading Nako off her predecessor. I've seen her doing three soulreads and I was like "nah, scum wouldn't pull three townreads and use soulread as reason".

I hate her lurking afterwards, but plenty of players are lurking nowadays so I gotta sort through them.

rb (L-3)

: Thor665, Something_Smart, Lamees

Thor665 (L-4)

: Creature, rb

Lamees (L-5)

: DarkLightA

DarkLightA (L-5)

: Egix96

Malakitty (L-5)

: Auro

Nako, Leodanny, Malakitty

Nako is the other town

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The soulreads

Stop voting Nako.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Mala

[Lamees]

Nako's getting lynched, there's nothing we can do about it. You probably know this. If nako flips town I guess that gives you plenty of town points.

[Something_Smart]

We have 16 hours. It's definitely possible to wagon Mala.

[Egix96]

I'm definitely not townreading Nako off her predecessor. I've seen her doing three soulreads and I was like "nah, scum wouldn't pull three townreads and use soulread as reason".

I hate her lurking afterwards, but plenty of players are lurking nowadays so I gotta sort through them.

rb (L-3)

: Thor665, Something_Smart, Lamees

Thor665 (L-4)

: Creature, rb

Lamees (L-5)

: DarkLightA

DarkLightA (L-5)

: Egix96

Malakitty (L-5)

: Auro

Nako, Leodanny, Malakitty

Nako is the other town

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The soulreads

Stop voting Nako.

That doesn't prove that she's town though. Creature could have been wrong, and I personally don't think it's difficult for scum to say "I soulread X, Y, and Z town" because they could easily include one or more of their own buddies in there.

[Egix96]

You know what? Sod it. Let's give this a go.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Malakitty

[Something_Smart]

Yeah but why would she kill Creature then?

[Lamees]

This is just screaming for a no lynch.

VOTE: malakitty

[Succinct]

And I REFUSE TO HAVE ANOTHER NL

Second NL puts us onto odds; it's not the end of the world.

I'm actually down to lynch him over Nako cos I trust Red's read

Calling your bluff.
VOTE: Something_Smart

[Egix96]

Yeah but why would she kill Creature then?

OHHH so is that the point you were trying to make?

In that case, how should I know? Scum can kill anyone who's not one of them, for whatever reason.

[Auro]

Willing to lynch Mala more than SS, though, if it wasn't clear.