Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

VC 4.16

votes

[2] mbaki

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DrDolittle 2273, OkaPoka 2993

[2] OkaPoka

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Moongrass 3045, Varsoon 3046

[1] DrDolittle

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mbaki 2183

[2] Not Voting

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Kmd4390 2381, Creature 2953

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

The Day 4 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-20 04:15:59)

Mod Notes

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[Kmd4390]

I'd still like to lynch in mbaki/drdoolittle.

[Moongrass]

Dann and others scum read him hard.

They scum read you pretty hard too. I think DDL is townier than you simply for the fact that they were willing to lynch you even if it meant they would be lynched too. They were also willing to confirm creature, and haven't tried to manipulate the game state at all.

[Kmd4390]

Vote mbaki

[Moongrass]

The reason I am voting Oka and not mbaki, is on the chance kmd/oka are a team. If that is true, then town looks pretty lost tomorrow if mbaki flips town.

Both Oka/Kmd are pushing the DDL/mbaki lynch without stating how one flipping would impact on their reads.

[Kmd4390]

Varsoon clearly has no team.

Why can't he be scum with mbaki or drdoolittle?

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Preview edit: mbaki has pushed drdoolittle hard enough that they probably aren't scum together. I don't usually worry about associative tells until after the flip but if mbaki were to flip town, I'd probably vote drdoolittle. If he were to flip scum, I'd either vote Varsoon or re-evaluate oka and creature to see if one of them makes sense as scum.

[Moongrass]

Why can't he be scum with mbaki or drdoolittle?

The only person he makes sense as scum with is Creature based on role claims, though that's unlikely as he's been tunneling Creature since mass-claim. If Varsoon is scum his claim is brilliant. I'm willing to bet money he isn't scum.

I've talked about this earlier.

[Creature]

I feel like voting Oka, but that'd leave mbaki as the hammer.

[mbaki]

Dann and others scum read him hard.

They scum read you pretty hard too. I think DDL is townier than you simply for the fact that they were willing to lynch you even if it meant they would be lynched too. They were also willing to confirm creature, and haven't tried to manipulate the game state at all.

I was willing to lynch him too, knowing I get lynched "too". The fuck does that even mean?

And no, they didn't. Dann had me as his top tr. Nero had me as town. rb the nk had me as town. Fish had me as town. Are you joking?

[Moongrass]

Preview edit: mbaki has pushed drdoolittle hard enough that they probably aren't scum together. I don't usually worry about associative tells until after the flip but if mbaki were to flip town, I'd probably vote drdoolittle. If he were to flip scum, I'd either vote Varsoon or re-evaluate oka and creature to see if one of them makes sense as scum.

If anyone flips town today then we are at Lylo tomorrow. You can't afford to lynch people to make associatives at this point.

I'm fairly certain DDL is town. Varsoon is a bad vote, and Creature will be checked tomorrow for his commuter claim.

[mbaki]

I feel like voting Oka, but that'd leave mbaki as the hammer.

And this is a problem why?

[mbaki]

Varsoon is town Kmd. He is close to Moongrass levels of town, I would be willing to lose if he's scum. You do not ever vote there if you are town and I am lynched here.

[Moongrass]

I rather lynch Suka or Mbaki. I'd compromise on DDL though.

VOTE: Nero Cain

u wanna talk about this supposed scum read on me?

Oh sorry I must be misreading DDL as mbaki.

[mbaki]

I rather lynch Suka or Mbaki. I'd compromise on DDL though.

VOTE: Nero Cain

u wanna talk about this supposed scum read on me?

Oh sorry I must be misreading DDL as mbaki.

That was when I was pushing him too. Read on in his iso. You're picking posts from the first 30% of day 1.

[Creature]

I feel like voting Oka, but that'd leave mbaki as the hammer.

And this is a problem why?

I expected both wagons to have three votes and someone neutral deciding on which to hammer.

[Moongrass]

@mbaki: You're very aware of how people perceived you. I think it says something that people who suspected you were lynched and people who townread you were NK'd.

How is how people perceive you even an argument for your alignment? If people were town reading you then why would scum leave you alive?

You've not considered DDL being town once and you only turned on him once he voted you SOD. This is in line with other people suspecting you getting lynched.

Offering WIFOM as a means to townread you over another is silly and illogical.

[mbaki]

You've not considered DDL being town once and you only turned on him once he voted you SOD. This is in line with other people suspecting you getting lynched.

I thought he was town enough to not hammer his wagon day 1, and he was in my scum pool then too. And your argument is based on 1 lynch, Vorkuta, because Fish town read me at the time he died to a degree and YYotta did not give any reads at all.

How is how people perceive you even an argument for your alignment? If people were town reading you then why would scum leave you alive?

Because they thought they could mislynch me, which they were right about based on how today's going?

@mbaki: You're very aware of how people perceived you. I think it says something that people who suspected you were lynched and people who townread you were NK'd.

Yes, I am a very self aware player. I know who has what reads on me whenever possible. That is part of how I read people.

Offering WIFOM as a means to townread you over another is silly and illogical.

This is how I know you are lying or misguided when you say you are experienced. Inexperienced players brush off NKA as WIFOM. Experienced players do not. It is a key difference.

I am not going to have another tantrum, you can hammer me if you wish. Good luck on the Oka / DDL solve if you do, Creature or Kmd scum probably win here but I don't think that's avoidable.

[mbaki]

VOTE: Oka

Enjoy the hammer unless Moongrass hammers me first, Creature.

[Moongrass]

Creature or Kmd scum probably win here but I don't think that's avoidable.

...it's avoidable if you pull your head out of your butt and discuss the other viable wagon for today.

You can't tantrum every time I try to show you where you're going wrong on your DDL tunnel. The fact that you can't even vote Oka to save yourself speaks volumes.

[Moongrass]

Of course you ninja me with the vote.

[Kmd4390]

Why can't he be scum with mbaki or drdoolittle?

The only person he makes sense as scum with is Creature based on role claims, though that's unlikely as he's been tunneling Creature since mass-claim. If Varsoon is scum his claim is brilliant. I'm willing to bet money he isn't scum.

I've talked about this earlier.

I don't remember it. Why are VT claims clear from being scum with him? If just quoting an old post will answer, that's fine.

If anyone flips town today then we are at Lylo tomorrow. You can't afford to lynch people to make associatives at this point.

Agreed. You lynch who you think is most likely to flip scum.

[Moongrass]

i tr u but the u arent making sense to me

why aren't we resolving one in mbaki/ddl today?

I'll break it down for you.

Suka claimed a follower result on Varsoon.
Varsoon claimed a result on Creature.
Suka voted Varsoon because he claimed to have a result.
Varsoon claimed UB inheriting Voyeur
Suka unvoted Varsoon because that claim is consistent with the result.

The only world where this claim would be fabricated, would be in the scenario of a Varsoon/Creature team, for the high risk/low return of being able to go last in the claim order and creating permanent distance until end game. Varsoon now has to give results consistent with his claim and the results of other PRs.

It. Doesn't. Make. Sense. As a scum gambit.

Moon - Follower
Varsoon - Universal backup --> Voyeur
Creature - 2-shot Commuter
Oka - ascetic
Kmd - VT
Mbaki - VT
DDL - VT

Creature thinks that both scum are in the VTs. We've had 4 VTs and our Voyeur die so far.

Assuming 3 scum - 3 PRs make sense no?

@Varsoon: you have solid modding experience, what do you think?

[Moongrass]

at least one of Creature/Oka must be scum as these roles seem strange with a Voyeur, or Follower. Town is weak enough with a UB/Voyeur/Follower, so a role like ascetic would only serve to weaken town further. On the other hand it would have positive utility as a goon modifier against what I think are the 3 true town PRs. I think commuter is more likely to be town, however the x-shot doesn't line up with the UB.

[mbaki]

Of course you ninja me with the vote.

I made it clear I would vote Oka earlier too, I've said it a couple times.

I think if Oka is town, I get lynched tomorrow and we lose. If DDL is town we lose too, but that way it can at least be on my terms and he just isn't imo. Still has not replied to my case against him despite it being brought up a few times.

But I've said my piece, and nobody listened, so yes, Oka can be lynched. He has enough scum equity it isn't the worst vote in the world.

I guess I do have one more thing to add: I did not vote Creature or Varsoon today when the wagons presented themselves. Meh. I don't think that means much anyways, don't really know why I'm typing it.

[mbaki]

Do you want to discuss Kmd vs DDL? Because as of now, I am very likely voting DDL tomorrow regardless of how this flips. You are the only person proposing Kmd scum here, so if you want that to happen I think you need to justify it if you have anything.