Mini 2052: Downtown Train Mafia - Game Over!

[Munchmellow]

Well nothing really's gonna get done with the only wagon being on TGP while TGP is on V/LA, so there's that.

Yes, there's that.
VOTE: Allomancer

[TheGoldenParadox]

I mean we theoretically can, but right now, as I've said before, I don't find TGP particularly scummy and while he's not posting because he is v/la he'll stay that way.

Do you mean that I'll continue to not post after my VLA is over? Why would I do that? And also, even though I'm not posting a lot, I'm still more active than some. I haven't disappeared from the game completely.

What, we can't move on someone who's VLA now? I know what to do in all my scum games with Allo

I think unfortunately my V/LA is delaying the game. I'm sorry, and I'm really trying to fix that, but I don't think there's a ton I can do - I think we all agree that sometimes, you need to put your IRL health over your mafia life.

This is Painful, if you want something done, do it yourself.

Vote Brass

VOTE: brass

So this is giving me scummy vibes and really seeming a bit odd. I don't recall either of them expressing suspicion of brass, so barring them being neighbors/masons (daytalk?) and having learned something we don't know, why would they both vote someone they didn't say was scummy before, one after the other, without explanation?

Well nothing really's gonna get done with the only wagon being on TGP while TGP is on V/LA, so there's that.

Yes, there's that.
VOTE: Allomancer

What do you see out of this vote? Allo seems towny to me, but you said he straw-maned RCE? However, you weren't going to vote him because you wanted to vote me, but had second thoughts about putting someone on V/LA at L-1?

What happened?

This seems to me like another backtrack to me on 324.

[Allomancer]

I mean we theoretically can, but right now, as I've said before, I don't find TGP particularly scummy and while he's not posting because he is v/la he'll stay that way.

Do you mean that I'll continue to not post after my VLA is over? Why would I do that? And also, even though I'm not posting a lot, I'm still more active than some. I haven't disappeared from the game completely.

No, I meant that I currently don't find you scummy. Currently, you're not posting often because of you're v/la, so I'm obviously not going to start scumreading you until after your v/la when you pick up the posting.

[brassherald]

I mean we theoretically can, but right now, as I've said before, I don't find TGP particularly scummy and while he's not posting because he is v/la he'll stay that way.

Do you mean that I'll continue to not post after my VLA is over? Why would I do that? And also, even though I'm not posting a lot, I'm still more active than some. I haven't disappeared from the game completely.

No, I meant that I currently don't find you scummy. Currently, you're not posting often because of you're v/la, so I'm obviously not going to start scumreading you until after your v/la when you pick up the posting.

Legitimately, this is the first time I understood what you meant. I don't know about anyone else but I was super confused, thus my sarcastic comment earlier and no follow up

[Munchmellow]

What do you see out of this vote? Allo seems towny to me, but you said he straw-maned RCE? However, you weren't going to vote him because you wanted to vote me, but had second thoughts about putting someone on V/LA at L-1? What happened?
This seems to me like another backtrack to me on 324.

You said you'd be back active on Monday - so like 36hours from when I posted or more. My hesitation about putting V/LA player at L-1was still there and I agree - nothing's gonna get moving with only wagon being on V/LA player. So I voted my next scumlean. Why do you find that wierd?

[RCEnigma]

Agreed, it's weird you would be aware of his interaction with Allo, but pull the same thing with Munch. WHILE talking about it! That's weird...

[RCEnigma]

@TGP not Munch sorry.

[Robert2424]

I mean we theoretically can, but right now, as I've said before, I don't find TGP particularly scummy and while he's not posting because he is v/la he'll stay that way.

Do you mean that I'll continue to not post after my VLA is over? Why would I do that? And also, even though I'm not posting a lot, I'm still more active than some. I haven't disappeared from the game completely.

What, we can't move on someone who's VLA now? I know what to do in all my scum games with Allo

I think unfortunately my V/LA is delaying the game. I'm sorry, and I'm really trying to fix that, but I don't think there's a ton I can do - I think we all agree that sometimes, you need to put your IRL health over your mafia life.

This is Painful, if you want something done, do it yourself.

Vote Brass

VOTE: brass

So this is giving me scummy vibes and really seeming a bit odd. I don't recall either of them expressing suspicion of brass, so barring them being neighbors/masons (daytalk?) and having learned something we don't know, why would they both vote someone they didn't say was scummy before, one after the other, without explanation?

Well nothing really's gonna get done with the only wagon being on TGP while TGP is on V/LA, so there's that.

Yes, there's that.
VOTE: Allomancer

What do you see out of this vote? Allo seems towny to me, but you said he straw-maned RCE? However, you weren't going to vote him because you wanted to vote me, but had second thoughts about putting someone on V/LA at L-1?

What happened?

This seems to me like another backtrack to me on 324.

Nothing has changed, I want activity. Nobody willing to do something, so I vote for the person with the most posts in the game.

[Lady Angel]

Votecount:

RCEnigma: 1 (Allomancer)

TheGoldenParadox: 3 (Bambi Jay, Brassherald, Darth Vader)

Munchmellow: 1 (TheGoldenParadox)
Bambi Jay: 1 (Amor)
Allomancer: 1 (RCEnigma, Munchmellow)
Brassherald: 2 (Robert2424, Northsidegal)

Not Voting:

Leading Wagons are in bold.

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The following players have yet to post and will be prodded if they do not post before the next votecount: Bambi Jay, Brassherald,

TheGoldenParadox is V/LA until monday.

Day 1 ends on Wednesday, January 23rd at 6:00 PM PST, or 3 days, 20 hours and 57 minutes from this post.

[Bambi Jay]

Hey Amor, any reason why having your vote still parked on me is a wonderful idea?

[brassherald]

VOTE: Allomancer decided I don't like his interactions with the TGP wagon

[Allomancer]

Allomancer: 1 (RCEnigma, Munchmellow)

@Mod this can't be right.

It's not. Fixed as of the next votecount. ~ LA

[Amor]

Hey Amor, any reason why having your vote still parked on me is a wonderful idea?

Because I think that you're most likely to be scum, and am not convinced by the current wagons?

[Robert2424]

@Amor, then what are your thoughts on everyone else, including me.

[Lady Angel]

Votecount:

RCEnigma: 1 (Allomancer)
TheGoldenParadox: 2 (Bambi Jay, Darth Vader)
Munchmellow: 1 (TheGoldenParadox)
Bambi Jay: 1 (Amor)
Allomancer: 3 (RCEnigma, Munchmellow, Brassherald)
Brassherald: 2 (Robert2424, Northsidegal)

Not Voting:

Leading Wagons are in bold.

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The following players have yet to post and will be prodded if they do not post before the next votecount: Darth Vader, RCEnigma, Munchmellow, Northsidegal

TheGoldenParadox is V/LA until monday.

Day 1 ends on Wednesday, January 23rd at 6:00 PM PST, or 2 days, 23 hours and 51 minutes from this post.

[Allomancer]

Nothing has changed, I want activity. Nobody willing to do something, so I vote for the person with the most posts in the game.

Why vote the player with the most posts? If you want activity, doesn't it make sense to vote the player with the least posts?

[Allomancer]

Robert just gets worse looking back.

This is Painful, if you want something done, do it yourself.

Vote Brass

This made no sense. brassherald's previous post was asking me about the whole miscommunication about TGP being V/LA.

You two have only mentioned having light suspicion of Brass before -- is there something that made you more certain?

He never answered this either.

[Allomancer]

VOTE: Robert2424

[Darth Vader]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Robert2424

Don't post if you're not going to contribute to the game. Most of your posts are unproductive.

Looked at TGP's iso and I don't see anything wrong with it

Looked at TGP's iso and I don't see anything wrong with it

Let's try another approach, what do you see in it that is Towny?

I still want this.

I think 164 makes a case.
I see nothing inherently scummy about the big L-1. If anything, it's good to let the town know when we get to that point.

Brass- Did not like that ITH. Asks a lot- why do you scumread that guy, why did you do that, post some analysis - but didn't see him provide any answers or analysis.

I disagree. Asking questions is actually very beneficial to town. Brass is one of the towniest here IMO.

VOTE: Robert2424

Okay, I'm rescinding my (much earlier) townlean on Allo here.
There's a consistent pattern of Allo discrediting major wagons throughout the day without any *real* reasons. He continues making vanity votes (RCE, Robert) without really making an effort to shift pressure onto those slots; I get the feeling he's making up reasons to have his vote in unproductive places to keep the gamestate from gaining momentum anywhere / deflect attention away from a wagoned scumbuddy.

There are other red flags in his ISO (shade on Bambi and refusal to vote; unproductive posts that don't advance the gamestate etc.) that others have pointed out too, but I think this should be a good lynch for today, and DVa agrees with me on this too.

VOTE: Allomancer

~Auro

[Robert2424]

Allot fails to realize what I want. I want a activity. I want people to post. Is it working? I would guess so compared to earlier.

[brassherald]

Allot fails to realize what I want. I want a activity. I want people to post. Is it working? I would guess so compared to earlier.

After some a response of "No, not really"

Especially since you seem to have not engaged on your own. You want more activity, try to start a dialog.

Also, do I really have the most posts in the game?

[Amor]

@Amor, then what are your thoughts on everyone else, including me.

As I've stated before, besides Bambi, I think Munch and Brass are the most suspicious. Everyone else seems like town overthinking things. I would question why you're so focused on activity when the deadline is tomorrow.

As for the case on Allo, I'm not sure I buy it. It seems like scum would have tried to jump on at least one of those wagons.

[brassherald]

@mod your timer is wrong.

I thought we had nearly 3 days since I was reading the timer

[brassherald]

@mod your timer is wrong.

I thought we had nearly 3 days since I was reading the timer

And, I just realized it is not a timer.

[brassherald]

@Amor, then what are your thoughts on everyone else, including me.

As I've stated before, besides Bambi, I think Munch and Brass are the most suspicious. Everyone else seems like town overthinking things. I would question why you're so focused on activity when the deadline is tomorrow.

As for the case on Allo, I'm not sure I buy it. It seems like scum would have tried to jump on at least one of those wagons.

Does it bother you at all that, as you pointed out, the deadline is tomorrow and a mislynch is statistically better than a no lynch day 1 yet you remain on a vanity wagon?