Mini 2052: Downtown Train Mafia - Game Over!

[Allomancer]

@Mod what happens if there is a tie for most votes?

[Darth Vader]

(expired on 2019-01-23 21:58:19)

here you go brass -d

[brassherald]

(expired on 2019-01-23 21:58:19)

here you go brass -d

Thanks. I didn't want to admit it, but I don't know what time 6 pm PST is in my time.

[brassherald]

Well, less didn't want to admit, more, I would have made a timer if I knew.

[Allomancer]

I'm assuming ET based on your given location, so just add 4 to PT.

[Lady Angel]

@Mod what happens if there is a tie for most votes?

This will result in a no lynch.

Apologies for the timer being off. I don't know how to put one in a post, so I'm doing it in my head, and it's bound to be inaccurate.

Day 1 actually ends in 1 day, 1 hour, and 51 minutes.

[northsidegal]

i voted brass mostly just to do something, don't really scumlean him (although i don't have much of a townread on him either)

i've decided that i'm fine with today ending with a TGP lynch

i'm ambivalent towards the allo wagon

[northsidegal]

actually i'm less ambivalent than i thought

i would very much prefer a TGP lynch over an allo lynch, at least for today.
VOTE: thegoldenparadox

[northsidegal]

Hey Amor, any reason why having your vote still parked on me is a wonderful idea?

Because I think that you're most likely to be scum, and am not convinced by the current wagons?

amor is probably town for this

[northsidegal]

Okay, I'm rescinding my (much earlier) townlean on Allo here.
There's a consistent pattern of Allo discrediting major wagons throughout the day without any *real* reasons. He continues making vanity votes (RCE, Robert) without really making an effort to shift pressure onto those slots; I get the feeling he's making up reasons to have his vote in unproductive places to keep the gamestate from gaining momentum anywhere / deflect attention away from a wagoned scumbuddy.

There are other red flags in his ISO (shade on Bambi and refusal to vote; unproductive posts that don't advance the gamestate etc.) that others have pointed out too, but I think this should be a good lynch for today, and DVa agrees with me on this too.

in allo's defense i think scum in this kind of gamestate and even allo!scum specifically are probably less likely to use "discrediting major wagons and vanity voting" as a strategy and more likely to just coalesce onto popular town wagons

deliberate attempts to keep the game stagnant are something that very few scumplayers actually do i think.

keeping

a game stagnant is something that any scum player can do, but deliberately creating that kind of environment is a pretty advanced tactic i think

[northsidegal]

to be clear, i don't townread allo or TGP but out of the two i feel like TGP is more likely to flip scum whereas i feel like allo is more likely to just be a mislynch

[Allomancer]

Okay, I'm rescinding my (much earlier) townlean on Allo here.
There's a consistent pattern of Allo discrediting major wagons throughout the day without any *real* reasons. He continues making vanity votes (RCE, Robert) without really making an effort to shift pressure onto those slots; I get the feeling he's making up reasons to have his vote in unproductive places to keep the gamestate from gaining momentum anywhere / deflect attention away from a wagoned scumbuddy.

There are other red flags in his ISO (shade on Bambi and refusal to vote; unproductive posts that don't advance the gamestate etc.) that others have pointed out too, but I think this should be a good lynch for today, and DVa agrees with me on this too.

in allo's defense i think scum in this kind of gamestate and even allo!scum specifically are probably less likely to use "discrediting major wagons and vanity voting" as a strategy and more likely to just coalesce onto popular town wagons

deliberate attempts to keep the game stagnant are something that very few scumplayers actually do i think.

keeping

a game stagnant is something that any scum player can do, but deliberately creating that kind of environment is a pretty advanced tactic i think

I'm not sure whether to agree with you because this vindicates me, or get mad that you don't think I'm capable of advanced tactics.

[RCEnigma]

to be clear, i don't townread allo or TGP but out of the two i feel like TGP is more likely to flip scum whereas i feel like allo is more likely to just be a mislynch

About where I am, I still want Allo over TGP but I'm fine with either.

I didn't really have a read on TGP either way until Robert voted Brass but I'd be getting into my tinfoil theories again so.

[northsidegal]

I'm not sure whether to agree with you because this vindicates me, or get mad that you don't think I'm capable of advanced tactics.

it's not that i don't think you're capable of it – i think most any player would be capable of it. i guess it's that i don't think it'd be your go-to strategy.

i mean, do you yourself think that it's something that you could and would do? you've said yourself that you're relatively inexperienced when it comes to mafia, so that's largely what i'm basing my view off of.

[Allomancer]

Well, no, I don't think I would do it. I'm not so much inexperienced in general as I am inexperienced on this site. I have a big background in real-life mafia, where social cues that you can't get over forum are more important and a strategy like that would be impossible.

[northsidegal]

do you think objectively speaking you should be townread here or do you think people's cases have some merit

[brassherald]

VOTE: TGP

I like this wagon better, it doesn't have Munchmellow on it.

[Allomancer]

do you think objectively speaking you should be townread here or do you think people's cases have some merit

It depends on how scummy you think TGP is. It seems the wagon on me formed because I denounced the TGP wagon. If you think TGP is scummy, then my play is scummy as well. I, however, don't find TGP scummy. I would also argue, even if you find him scummy, and then me by extension, the logical play is to lynch him first and lynch me if he flips scum. If he is the only reason I am scummy, why lynch me over him?

[Lady Angel]

Votecount:

Robert2424: 1 (Allomancer)

TheGoldenParadox: 3 (Bambi Jay, Northsidegal, Brassherald)

Munchmellow: 1 (TheGoldenParadox)
Bambi Jay: 1 (Amor)

Allomancer: 3 (RCEnigma, Munchmellow, Darth Vader)

Brassherald: 1 (Robert2424)

Not Voting:

Leading Wagons are in bold.

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The following players have yet to post and will be prodded if they do not post before the next votecount: Bambi Jay, TheGoldenParadox

Prodding Munchmellow.

Day 1 ends on Wednesday, January 23rd at 6:00 PM PST, or (expired on 2019-01-23 21:59:09) from this post.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: TGP

Doesn't look like Allo is gonna get the votes he needs.

[RCEnigma]

L-1

[Allomancer]

I am happy with my vote.

[Bambi Jay]

Tfw RC can't count to 6 votes.

This is a 10p, not a 9p. It takes 6 to lynch, RC.

Honestly I'm happy me being a jackass helped us catch an over eager scum wanting that juicy mislynch. Really, when you go all in the way TGP did, some things up there.

Why are all of you Fricken Felines still, btw?

[RCEnigma]

Oh is it 6?

[Munchmellow]

VOTE: TGP

I like this wagon better, it doesn't have Munchmellow on it.

For now...