Mini Normal 2054: Winter's Sacrifice [Game Over]

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[3] xwing

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rosterfoster (121), Egix96 (130), Tchill13 (133)

[3] Sashaddin

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BuJaber (126), Dannflor (157), xwing (198)

[3] Persivul

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Gamma Emerald (181), Flubbernugget (187), Slaxx (237)

[2] Gamma Emerald

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Haschel Cedricson (59), JunkoChan (85)

[1] Tchill13

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Persivul (199)

[1] Not Voting

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Sashaddin (213)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-30 01:15:00)

Mod Notes

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[Gamma Emerald]

I guess that’s a bit far fetched
UNVOTE: . Will look at all the people who expressed interest and voted, not just Egil and Teech. But probably later. Might hit the hay soon.

[BuJaber]

Not even going to buy me dinner first?

Idk, 30 games maybe?

My apologies.

Just that you seem all over the place and your vote progression is awfully suspect considering you went from one side to another. (Percy scumreading both xwing and sasha and you switching between these 3 in the order that you did).

For xwing you claim her latest post made her look much better but what made you change your mind about sasha and what's scummy about persivul?

[Dannflor]

If Persivul is scum, he stays on the xwing wagon. I don't think any of his play makes sense as scum.

I gave Gamma a pass early game because I don't think not following the game closely is necessarily a scum tell, but after that she's just been blatantly getting things wrong.

Obviously, voting Persivul for BS reasons is bad, but also framing it in a way to allow herself to outright ignore the

much scummier

votes in Roster and Tchill feels intentional. This isn't just not paying attention, it's contrived.

VOTE: Gamma

I feel good about [Persivul, Flubber, Junko]

I'm feeling less good about Roster now.

I'm actually very very uneasy about Slaxx coming in and instantly townreading me, sheeping my initial read on Roster, and just generally going along with popular consensus (similar feelings to the first xwing post but less obvious). I also don't think Persivul is where you vote if you're having trouble getting a scum read.

pedit: I think BuJaber is also more likely town now

[Slaxx]

YoU gUyS aReNt PlAyInG 4D cHeSs

I'll explain Pers in like, 24 hours.

Usually I don't bounce around this much because usually I get a scumread before now.

[Slaxx]

Y'all kinda already ruined it.

[Persivul]

4D chess loses mafia games. Back to basics wins mafia games.

[Flubbernugget]

Are you pushing those naked votes for elaboration? If not, why not?

This is something I rarely, if ever, do.

People naked vote, and pestering each vote with some sort of "y tho" isn't worth my time except in particularly bad cases (at which point I did say something)

The two people that I thought were prime candidates for scum in terms of naked voting haven't posted since I brought that up anyway, so this question is mostly noise for it's own sake.

[Flubbernugget]

Do, however, elaborate on your Persivul "look[ing] like scum for other reasons" since I'm not seeing 187 as particularly strong, especially considering what's going on with xwing and Gamma.

Nah, that's what's there. You don't have to like it.

I don't scum read xwing. Gamma I will revisit.

I think I need to revisit sash too

[rosterfoster]

I’m pretty busy rn, will post something proper when I have the time. Xwing’s posts still feel scummy to me though (at least from what’s I remember about town Xwing).

[Egix96]

Okay I thought angleshooting was something different? I thought it was something like taking mod action to indicate something about player’s alignments.

Yeah, I think flubber might be misusing that term. I consider angleshooting to mean stuff like people reading others based on out-of-game info, or people trying to clear themselves using stuff that's not within the scope of the game (e.g. mid-game avatar change).

@X

I liked your most recent posts. Less fence sitting, stronger stances.

i find this a bit contradictory..

when you initially voted for me, you said you didnt care (your vote placed me to L-1

)..but this statement means you do care..

That didn't happen, that is what I didn't want to happen.

I see you more towny now, your previous game gives me quite the same vibe for now.

UNVOTE: Xwing

VOTE: Sashaddin

ohhhhhh ok

Really don’t like the “for now” out

And I also feel like out of all the people to reference Schadds game you fleshed it out the least. Could be because you were last to back off, but then that leads to asking why you were a holdout.

Based on the timing of those first two posts (5 minutes apart) they look like a mindmeld to me. Not sure why Slaxx is being so suspicious of Sasha here despite his provided reasoning.

Egix: While in our previous game he was mostly absent, in this game he is quite on the offensive. First on gamma then on xwing. I have a thought that he might want to make a lot of distance between Gamma and him. His play towards xwing is not quite the same I think. A complicated slot to read right now, I'm not so sure he's town anymore. Could be, but then easily could not too.

The reason why I'm making more of an effort to be active in this game is because people generally didn't like how passive I was being in 2048.
There's also the fact that, unlike that game, we haven't yet found an "obvious" scum for me to just leave my vote on. This game's D1 is (so far at least) much more dynamic in comparison, in terms of how everyone's suspicions are evolving.

Xwing’s posts still feel scummy to me though

I'd be interested if you could elaborate on this, once you're back of course.

[Tchill13]

Yeah I'm still fine with my xwing vote. Especially considering it went from the leading wagon and the game turned to multiple wagons with multiple votes. That means we're pretty divided on where to go. All ik is ppl don't want xwing lynched atm.

[Flubbernugget]

All ik is ppl don't want xwing lynched atm.

Tell me more about why

[xwing]

got a couple of questions on your egix read..
1) why would you expect egix to distance himself from gamma?
2) what do you mean by his play towards me being different? do you mean compared to his approach with gamma?

1- Both would be scum
2- The angle he used wasn't the same for both people, imo.

@sash, what do you mean by number 2? how was it different?
im not a fan of a scum!sasha anymore..
UNVOTE:

Yeah I'm still fine with my xwing vote. Especially considering it went from the leading wagon and the game turned to multiple wagons with multiple votes. That means we're pretty divided on where to go. All ik is ppl don't want xwing lynched atm.

hey tchill, what do your reads look like now?
do you find my individual play scummy?
VOTE: tchill
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im okay to lynch {gamma, tchill, roster} atm..
i will switch to gamma if needed for lynch

mod did not specify how many scum we have this game right? last mini i played (2048) we had 3 scum, not sure if it applies here as well?

[Flubbernugget]

Haschel, your biggest issues with gamma are

1) he got facts in the game wrong
2) his vote on percy is bad

??

[Tchill13]

Because once the wagon reached actual lynch possibility votes went everywhere else. Had the group wanted a counter wagon that's what we would have got. Instead we get multiple low level wagons.

It's definitely not a bad thing that the first lynch isn't pushed through d1. You get more reads obviously. I think it's odd that ppl go out of their way to show you they don't want xwing lynched rather than starting a specific counter wagon. Even those that didn't vote xwing to begin with could have made a counter wagon.

Just seems odd to me. Multiple low lvl wagons do not generate reads like a counter wagon imo and that's what we've settled for. Reads to me like a mixture of RVS and we don't d1 to even come close to ending yet.

[Tchill13]

I'm not gonna go in depth about my reads atm.

[Sashaddin]

@sash, what do you mean by number 2? how was it different?

Gamma was approached on the participation side and Xwing on the meta side.
Might not be a huge tell, but sometimes when scum knows more than it should, it does those little odd things that pile up for me near endgame.

[xwing]

why do you think that a specific counterwagon is the natural thing to occur?
i disagree about votes still in RVS, but im pretty sure people dont want to end the day yet..
when are you going public with your reads then?

[xwing]

ebwop: post 268 @tchill
@sasha: noted, though i feel it's because egix has just recently played with me so he has some expectation on my slot..whereas im not sure if he has played with gamma yet..

[Egix96]

ebwop: post 268 @tchill
@sasha: noted, though i feel it's because egix has just recently played with me so he has some expectation on my slot..whereas im not sure if he has played with gamma yet..

I have played with Gamma before.

- Open 740, I was scum and Gamma was town.
- Open 742, I was scum (specifically Mafia) and Gamma was a Serial Killer.

There's also EIACR2 if you wanna count that, but I personally wouldn't cos that wasn't a real mafia game.

[Dannflor]

@Tchill, do you still think xwing is scummy?

What are your reads? #266 is a BS excuse. You don't have to go in depth about your reads, not many people are or even can do that at this point of the game with any legitimacy. Giving basic thoughts on the players in the game shouldn't be difficult.

[rosterfoster]

Btw Xwing is low-key scumreading me without giving any reason whatsoever.

Probably I will have time on Friday to give a proper post about my thoughts, and if not definitely Saturday.

[xwing]

Btw Xwing is low-key scumreading me without giving any reason whatsoever.

Probably I will have time on Friday to give a proper post about my thoughts, and if not definitely Saturday.

yes, which is the same as what you did with me, so im not sure where you're going with this?
will wait for your catch up then, got high expectations..no pressure :p

[JunkoChan]

@xwing Gamma is scum, kill tyvm

why do you think so again, JC? you changed your avi!

her posts don't make any sense to me, from all of the ones posting here and the one who has struck me as out of the line the most, sorry for low participation my early game reads are not the best, I'm a phantom lancer not a a Lina

And yes! new avi