[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[Something_Smart]

Lamees (L-4)

: Succinct

Auro, Nako, rb, Egix96, Something_Smart,
Ruby Red, Lamees

You could also look at Excalibur.

[Auro]

Lamees (L-3)

: Succinct, Lamees

Auro, Nako, rb, Egix96, Something_Smart,
Ruby Red

Immortal is a huge issue though.

How confident are you in your ability to hit scum?

If I were to take a stab at self-meta, I've heard my "tone" differs a lot between my town and scumgames. My scum tone has been called "frozen" in the past, and it's pretty hard to fake the fluidity I apparently otherwise happen to have as town.

I can't truly be objective about this, but DVa and Red are both pretty good at reading me; neither scumreading me should be saying something.

Thor and me being W/W is a bad theory; Lamees will say nothing's out of my scumrange, the question here isn't "Could they do that", rather "Would they" (the pages and pages of 1v1).

Thor's personal philosophy at least is to always have your buddies as nullreads or town, and choosing to bog down the thread continuously with your scumbuddy and putting yourselves in the spotlight isn't the best of strats - what would it achieve? The 1v1 could've easily resulted on a lynch on either of us, and if we were W/W it really wouldn't have given the other much towncred either. Plus, if I was buddies with Thor I would've tried to prevent his lynch much earlier, before he was at L-1 with no counterwagon; given I began to townread him later, no harm done if I did townread him before that happened anyway. Also important is the progression of his read on my slot - specifically, look at the last few interactions we had. It seems pretty genuine, and I can't think of any motivation as to why we'd end things that way as scum partners.

[Auro]

Whoops, accidental quote. Ignore.

[Lamees]

Think that happens when you missclick the Q+ in the corner. Probably not alignment indicative

[Lamees]

Unless you are immortal. Which is one of my theories.

[Auro]

Think that happens when you missclick the Q+ in the corner. Probably not alignment indicative

Yeah that's my theory as well. Should've previewed first haha.
Why do you believe I'm immortal?

[Ruby Red]

i'm surprised you townread me here auro honestly

[Ruby Red]

i would scumread myself, playing pretty lazily.

[rb]

so what are the odds that nako + succint + thor/ruby are all town along with mala?

my solve is currently nako/succint/ruby or auro

thoughts?

[Ruby Red]

you townread lamees and something smart?

[rb]

i think the way wagons have been stalling out mean that we have scum stalling out the game and/or that the competing wagons were actually on scum

[rb]

paranoia over lamees slot is ridiculous at this point

[rb]

i think SS has had pro-town moments, and that his lurking is a very different brand of lurking to nako/succint

[rb]

for real if we were going to test the lamees slot, it was meant to happen before mylo. the fact that it occurs _NOW_ just reeks of scum to me. they claimed on day1. we are now on day4, if we didn't lynch them on day1 (or 2) why the fuck is the game still hungup on it.

moreover, people asserting lamees scum are not doing it at a point where it makes like...any fucking sense, nor are they making any real effort to push them. the paranoia is faked, and a way to avoid actually playing the game and giving reads and opinions on the actual main wagons that have been in the game. it reeks of scum being avoidant of the main wagons.

like does anyone actually know what succinct's opinions on this game are, anywhere beyond "i think we should lynch from player X Y Z"? zero opinions on main wagons and going ons in the game. this is what scum do.

[Auro]

i'm surprised you townread me here auro honestly

I was townreading you before you replaced in.

[rb]

Okay, I've just had a quick skim through everything that happened since the last time I was here, which was about 24 hours ago.
Does anyone else think that rb's most recent posts (from about #339 onward) are very scummy in tone? Apart from the supposed scumslip, that is?
Maybe I'm getting hardcore pocketed by Lamees here, but in all honesty I would much rather lynch rb today.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: rb

VOTE: Egix96

VOTE: Malakitty
I think Egix is probably scum here so I will vote the wagon that he is not on.

VOTE: Thor665
1 scum between Thor and rb.
Hopefully, Creature is town.
Lamees did not die so she is also a scum?

VOTE: Egix96

VOTE: Malakitty
Wagon on Dunn yesterday was scum motivated. It appeared when we tried to lynch Mala.

VOTE: Creature
He got a prod.

VOTE: Lamees
Ok.

VOTE: Malakitty
CFD

i also want to bring attention to this voting pattern

very bad

[rb]

not just voting town, but _vanity_ voting town

[rb]

actually if nako flips scum i think ruby is town

[rb]

i'd want to lynch auro if only succinct wasn't so willing to do it.

honestly i don't think i wanna touch any slot that nako has been scumreading at this point, or succinct.

[rb]

also the reason i believe that scum are in the inactive players is because of the sheer inactivity in this game - when town players are the lurkers in my experience, there's generally moments where they shift and get into gear to actually coordinate on a lynch.

there have been some inactive town, and as a result there's been inactive scum lumped into the same pool of false equivalency, which is why we've all game been fighting to actually get ANYTHING at all done, and i find it really hard to believe that we just have a stagnant game where 5-6 all town players are just sitting around lurking. if there's active scum, it's the thor or auro slot, and while i agree with lamees that their interactions are not outside either of their scum ranges, i do believe that it's very unlikely they do such a thing when already winning and neither slot was really at any fear of lynch (they came to that well and truly _after_ they had their arguments, not before)

so we're left with the possibility that 1/2 of these are scum, and the potential that they might actually both be town.

so my preference is to lynch from nako/succint first. if nako is scum, i think SS has a better chance of being scum. i think it's slim to nil chance that succint + SS are scum together. one thing that makes me want to go for nako is that honestly...he's a viable scum partner to almost anyone in the game?

[rb]

and if we literally had 6 inactive townies well, fuck this game

[Auro]

so what are the odds that nako + succint + thor/ruby are all town along with mala?

my solve is currently nako/succint/ruby or auro

thoughts?

The only intersection in our solves is Succint. I think bussing would happen in this scenario since scum overall just need one mislynch, so I'm happy voting there

[rb]

why would bussing happen in this scenario

and why is nako town to you

[Auro]

not just voting town, but _vanity_ voting town

Naive town.

[Auro]

why would bussing happen in this scenario

and why is nako town to you

I don't think anyone (apart from Egix maybe) is guaranteed not to be a lynch option today, and scum need just one more mislynch. It'll look good for scum just in case town ends up lynching one of their buddies, so it's to scum advantage to bus as part of their solves.

I've described my Nako read earlier - she reads naive town to me with all those vanity votes, after the Mala flip though I'm reconsidering. I wouldn't lynch her first.

Why can't her play simply be bad town?