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[xwing]

okay..i dunno what your question there is, if any..i mean if you're still suspicious of me i expected more follow up questions..im going off in an hour and will be back on monday, so if you've got further doubts better hash them out now..
on that note, what are your reads, HC? i remember scum!gamma on top of my head..were there more?

[Flubbernugget]

i think flubbs hard defending gamma comes more from town!flubb..though i wish he let gamma defend herself before chiming in..

I am not trying to defend gamma. I usually just ignore them because they're easy enough to sort later in the game, but as the center of attention I really have to figure out what's going on.

[xwing]

among the wagons (xwing, gamma, tchill), who do you think deserves your vote, flubbz?

[Slaxx]

tchill

[xwing]

you're not flubbz!
since you're here anyway, what do you think of HC?

@mod: sorry, monday is a holiday, so i'll be back on tuesday

[Mewtaph]

VC 1.10

votes

[5] Gamma Emerald

:

Haschel Cedricson (59), JunkoChan (85), Dannflor (253), BuJaber (281), Egix96 (286)

[3] Tchill13

:

Persivul (199), xwing (263), Slaxx (277)

[2] xwing

:

rosterfoster (121), Tchill13 (133)

[1] Persivul

:

Flubbernugget (187)

[2] Not Voting

:

Sashaddin (213), Gamma Emerald (251)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-30 01:15:00)

Mod Notes

:

xwing is V/LA until Tuesday.

[Sashaddin]

Townies: Percy HC
Leaning Town: xwing Egix Slaxx Flubber

Notables suspects:
Bubujaber for jumping off my wagon when it was dissolving and joining Gamma's
JumkoChan for lurking

[Dannflor]

Actually, I changed my mind on rosterfoster again: #296 town pings me.

@rosterfoster, how much mafia experience do you have? Are you an alt or do you come from a different site? This will help me sort you better.

[Dannflor]

Townies: Percy HC
Leaning Town: xwing Egix Slaxx Flubber

Notables suspects:
Bubujaber for jumping off my wagon when it was dissolving and joining Gamma's
JumkoChan for lurking

Eh, scum reading Junko for lurking is kind of weak. Tchill and roster both have less posts than her.

I still think she's town for her early game push onto rosterfoster, though this is a little suspect:

sometimes I have gotten the feeling of someone being scum right after their first post, I'm not a god or anything but it happens

sorry for low participation my early game reads are not the best

[Dannflor]

im not a fan of a scum!sasha anymore..

Why?

VOTE: Gamma

You're note about BuJaber is interesting though. BuJaber, you still scum read Sashaddin, yea? Why did you move to the Gamma wagon?

[Dannflor]

Townies: Percy HC
Leaning Town: xwing Egix Slaxx Flubber

Notables suspects:
Bubujaber for jumping off my wagon when it was dissolving and joining Gamma's
JumkoChan for lurking

I can't help but notice you're not voting anyone? Why wouldn't you vote one of your "notable suspects" to apply pressure?

What are your thoughts on the Gamma wagon?

[Sashaddin]

I can't help but notice you're not voting anyone? Why wouldn't you vote one of your "notable suspects" to apply pressure?

What are your thoughts on the Gamma wagon?

I could have voted Bubujaber but I don't have him as a strong scumlean. I vote easier when I'm more convinced. Same for Junko.
The Gamma wagon is unreadable to me, too many people jumping in and out for whatever reasons. I never understood why it began in the first place. I'm keeping clear of this one.

[Dannflor]

You don't have strong scum reads but you aren't currently questioning people or attempting to gather better reads for yourself. With your vote on no one right now it looks like you're just content on posting read lists to look town without actually forwarding the state of the game. If the Gamma wagon is so mystifying to you why don't you question it? Or use your vote to pressure people who jumped in for "whatever reasons?"

"I vote easier when I'm more convinced" reads like you just don't want to look suspicious for voting for poor reasons, or you can't find good ones (which again you should be actively looking for those, which you are not). It's early D1, no one's reasons are particularly good. Regardless, your vote is your weapon, use it to find a better place to put it if you must.

VOTE: Sashaddin

Myself, roster, Tchill, and Gamma are all missing from your reads lists. Are we all null reads to you?

[Dannflor]

The fact that pushing you to L-1 would make you vulnerable to lolhammers and quickhammers. We've only started, I didn't my position was strong enough on you to push this hard, contextually.
Now that your wagon has thinned, I can vote a bit more at peace. I'll reread you in our previous game to see how you compare when I have time though.

Like, you're just

so

conscious of how your vote is going to look as opposed to what it actually does and that doesn't feel particularly town. Do you tend to do this in all of your games?

[Persivul]

Yeah

I'm still fine with my xwing vote

. Especially considering it went from the leading wagon and the game turned to multiple wagons with multiple votes. That means we're pretty divided on where to go.

All ik is ppl don't want xwing lynched atm.

Am I missing something? This reads like,

yeah I'm fine parking my vote somewhere that I know it's not doing any good

.

[Sashaddin]

"

I vote easier when I'm more convinced

" reads like you just don't want to look suspicious for voting for poor reasons, or you can't find good ones (which again you should be actively looking for those, which you are not).

It's early D1, no one's reasons are particularly good

. Regardless, your vote is your weapon, use it to find a better place to put it if you must.

I think the bolded parts from your own sentence describe best how I play.

No good reasons = usually no vote from me. I don't like pressure just for having pressure somewhere. Making talk is good, too much pressure lead to myslynches imho.

[Sashaddin]

The fact that pushing you to L-1 would make you vulnerable to lolhammers and quickhammers. We've only started, I didn't my position was strong enough on you to push this hard, contextually.
Now that your wagon has thinned, I can vote a bit more at peace. I'll reread you in our previous game to see how you compare when I have time though.

Like, you're just

so

conscious of how your vote is going to look as opposed to what it actually does and that doesn't feel particularly town. Do you tend to do this in all of your games?

In this situation, having someone at L-1 on the second day of the game was weird to me. It's not the look of it, I just thought it would be better if the day was longer.
From the games I played in, the L-1 spot is often the most suspicious one. I am giving this point to you, this is not a spot I like to vote in, regardless of my alignment.
I don't care about the other spots on the wagon.

[Sashaddin]

Myself, roster, Tchill, and Gamma are all missing from your reads lists. Are we all null reads to you?

Dannflor, roster undecided. I can see both sides ...
Tchill and Gamma are null. Gamma is hard to understand this game I think, as her wagon demonstrates.

[Sashaddin]

If the Gamma wagon is so mystifying to you why don't you question it?

Ok, I lost my train of thought a couple of times when I got to that point, what do you understand from it?

[Gamma Emerald]

If the Gamma wagon is so mystifying to you why don't you question it?

Ok, I lost my train of thought a couple of times when I got to that point, what do you understand from it?

What?

[BuJaber]

im not a fan of a scum!sasha anymore..

Why?

VOTE: Gamma

You're note about BuJaber is interesting though. BuJaber, you still scum read Sashaddin, yea? Why did you move to the Gamma wagon?

Sasha had 2 votes on him. Xwing unvoted left me alone. Nobody else seemed really interested in joining. It was a good time to pick one of the leading wagons. Haschel made good points against gamma, a player I already suspected, so I voted for gamma.

[BuJaber]

@slaxx - because while your posting has improved you're still not a townread for me. I'm also a little suspicious of egix, tchill, and xwing. Like at best they're null. As opposed to dann and haschel and junko on the gamma wagon who have been more townie.

[Egix96]

Townies: Percy HC
Leaning Town: xwing Egix Slaxx Flubber

Notables suspects:
Bubujaber for jumping off my wagon when it was dissolving and joining Gamma's
JumkoChan for lurking

I don't find your reasoning for your scumleans particularly compelling tbh. Your reason for suspecting BuJ only seems to make sense from your own PoV, and Dann has already pointed out what's wrong with suspecting Junko for lurking. I'm getting the impression that you have everyone else as at least null, and you're just making up reasoning for the two people that are left over.

Why is Haschel a strong townread for you?

[Flubbernugget]

among the wagons (xwing, gamma, tchill), who do you think deserves your vote, flubbz?

Obviously not voting you

Not particularly town reading gamma but also not ready to vote there

So I guess that leaves tchill

[Flubbernugget]

Fuck it

VOTE: tchill