[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[Auro]

Auro (L-4)

: Lamees

Lamees (L-4)

: Succinct

Auro, Nako, rb, Egix96, Something_Smart,
Ruby Red

I'm concerned that Red hasn't as well. Her "I'm surprised you're townreading me, I'd scumread myself" seems like a jibe at me tbh :$

[Egix96]

I'm concerned that Red hasn't as well. Her "I'm surprised you're townreading me, I'd scumread myself" seems like a jibe at me tbh :$

Yeah, she should understand that if she were scum and you were town, she could get you lynched easily.

[Something_Smart]

everyone: pick your preferred lynch: auro/nako/succinct

To be honest, at this point I wouldn't trust myself to pick correctly.

Succinct has been playing exactly like scum, but I've seen stubborn townies play that way.
Auro was originally the only one on the Mala wagon I didn't townread, but that kind of PoE is very shaky, and I don't know if he and Succinct could be partners.
I still do think Nako is town. But I'm a little bit afraid that the Creature NK was WIFOM for that specific reason.

[Succinct]

I changed my mind.
Auro-Lamees interactions aren't scum theater; my Auto/SS/Lamees solve's thus wrong.
VOTE: Something_Smart

Egix96

> Ruby Red > Nako > Auro

>

Lamees

>

rb >

Something_Smart

Please allow me 24h to explain changes.

[Something_Smart]

Those reads are so terrible, it's unreal.

[Something_Smart]

I kinda feel like we have to hang Succinct here because if he's town we've already lost...

[MiniDeathStar]

Notice

Nako

did not pick up her prod and is being replaced.
She

will not

be allowed to come back.

[rb]

I changed my mind.
Auro-Lamees interactions aren't scum theater; my Auto/SS/Lamees solve's thus wrong.
VOTE: Something_Smart

Egix96

> Ruby Red > Nako > Auro

>

Lamees

>

rb >

Something_Smart

Please allow me 24h to explain changes.

memes

[rb]

VOTE: Succinct

time to make open 743 great again

[Auro]

Yeah, she should understand that if she were scum and you were town, she could get you lynched easily.

At a cost - mislynching me would be a scumclaim in D3 for Ruby; doing that would've gotten her lynched today.

The optimal position for her to be in WRT my slot, as scum, is to keep me at town but also be open to reconsideration, and declare me scum in a MyLo/LyLo situation.

However, she didn't do that today while there was considerable pressure on me in MyLo so I still think she's town.

[Auro]

Continued feeling that Succint is setting me up for after his lynch, we should wait for his explanation and Nako's replacement probably.

[Succinct]

Incidentally, I believe Egix's claim as he had no incentive to claim this as scum.

This reason is a bit shaky. Feels forced.

Why?
There's two reasons for scum to fakeclaim.
1: Look town.
2: Gain mislynch.
Reason 1's not valid; Egix was not being voted today. Anyone saying otherwise is lying. Egix wasn't even being scumread. There's no need for him to gain towncred; he was already seen as town.
Reason 2's not valid; Egix's claim could only serve to lynch you. Egix is not pressing for a Lamees lynch, meaning this was not his intention. Furthermore, he didn't need to fakeclaim to put scrutiny on you.

What are you talking about?

2813's sufficient an answer.

Lamees

I'm back to townreading, and I wonder what Succint's current read there is: I really doubt scum!Lamees fakeclaims and self-votes readily in MyLo.

My read on Lamees can be summed up as so:
I believe there's 1 scum in Auro/Lamees.
I believe there's 1 scum in rb/Nako.
I believe Something_Smart's scum regardless.
This gives four possible scumteams.
Most likely to least likely, Lamees/rb > Auro/rb > Lamees/Nako > Auro/Nako.

I have cased the slot repeatedly, and continued my offense with new reasons.

Nobody's responded to these (except the ones which, after being responded to, I re-responded to; nobody responded to my responses).

I've, repeatedly, asked a question nobody's answered:

I ask again:

why's Lamees town?

I've shown why Lamees is scum; your turn.

and lamees is also making town posts today, even if they're absurd they're town motivated

Point them out; I've shown the contrary already.

Your reasoning's the closest I've ever gotten to an answer, and even it is flawed.

Lamees is a claimed angel. What's a self-vote (which has since been removed) do to harm Lamees's odds of survival? Nothing. What's a self-vote do to increase Lamees's odds of surviving? Everything. There's your scum motivation. As I previously stated:

Don't confuse scum with bad. AtE's a valid tactic for scum.

While we're at it: I've explained my Egix townread.
My Ruby Red townread comes from a combination of Ruby Red's Something_Smart push and rb's heavyhanded pushing of the slot as scum in a way unlikely to be bussing.
Nako townread comes from liking the slot's content, and agreeing with the logic RE: Creature nk. Nako lacks incentive for it.

Leaving Auro and rb reads unexplained.

My Auro read's that Auro fits as a Something_Smart scumbuddy, but not as a Lamees scumbuddy. There's not much more.

rb's returning to my original thoughts on the slot, deeming his content not town. Furthermore, there's a nagging question at mind: rb's been widely townread by players throughout the game;

why isn't he dead

. If rb is town, you can plausibly say it's because his main push is also on town (making Ruby Red town regardless of whether rb's town/scum), but the suspicion lingers of an alternative answer being he can't die due to being scum.

rb also carries some burden of proficiency; he's a competent player, yet has contributed significantly to at least one almost assured mislynch and helped lynch other town as well.

These are compounded with his pushes in key areas: 2208, 2211, 2212, 2213. While we're on that post:

for real if we were going to test the lamees slot, it was meant to happen before mylo. the fact that it occurs _NOW_ just reeks of scum to me. they claimed on day1. we are now on day4, if we didn't lynch them on day1 (or 2) why the fuck is the game still hungup on it.

Whose fault is that? I was voting there since D2; it's not like I didn't present reasons, either, as I've shown above. I was ignored. What can I do about that? I asked questions and raised points nobody bothered to answer or counter.

one thing that makes me want to go for nako is that honestly...he's a viable scum partner to almost anyone in the game?

rb's experienced enough to know this is backwards. Someone who works as scum with anyone's scum with no one.

[Succinct]

Expanding further:

rb's been widely townread by players throughout the game;

why isn't he dead

.

I can't speak for N1 with Persivul. I believe Persivul was shot for his play, not for his role, but having not been in the game I confess I don't know why he'd die.

Creature was a near-universal townread; I can understand why he'd die.

But why did

BBMolla

, someone

many players were willing to lynch

, eat the nightkill? Why not rb? I was certain he'd be the third nightkill because nobody else was worth killing. So why's he alive still?

[rb]

ah, so now the reason the scum killed the people who are actually supporting me but not actually me becomes apparent

cool wifom and stuff, i guess?

BBmolla kill = frame lamees + throw shade on why i'm not dead

first thing you do out of the gate: vote lamees and say you're willing to vote out of lamees + auro + SS

next thing you do: complain that i'm still alive

top scumreads for you: lamees+rb

k den

[rb]

but yeah why would i shoot persivul when he was one of the players who townread me when i _wasn't_ highly townread?

then creature who was also one of the few people supporting me?

then BBmolla who again, is one of the people supporting me?

the last two people were also agreeing to vote in the same places that i was voting: so assuming that i was scum, they'd pose no threat to my scumbuddies, or myself - and are people actually voting in my best interests

you have no actual case on me, apart from last minute wifom. cool dood

[rb]

rb also carries some burden of proficiency; he's a competent player, yet has contributed significantly to at least one almost assured mislynch and helped lynch other town as well.

lol, this is cute

funny how the burden of proficiency is relevant when i say to stop braindead tunneling lamees, to stop vanity voting so that we don't end up with a shit wagon and/or a nolynch at end of day, at multiple points where you were actual townreading me

did you listen then? nope.

but suddenly i have a burden of proficiency. okay, that's cool and all, but if your interpretation of me is competent, then why would you NOT FUCKING LISTEN TO WHAT I WAS SAYING when you ALSO TOWNREAD ME

this is scum and we should kill it with fire

[rb]

"hey guys i townread this player who i also think is competent

but i won't actually listen to or try to do the things that this competent player i townread says to do because...reasons..."

[rb]

i feel 187% good about a succinct lynch.

[Lamees]

Everyone has auro in their scumpool somewhere. This isn't coincidence. Let's just go for it.

[Something_Smart]

I think you're right but I need to figure out Succinct first. Do you still think Succinct and I are both town?

[Something_Smart]

I think Succinct is guilty of the same thing he was accusing Auro of. He came in saying he was definitely willing to vote Auro, but now that other people have expressed a willingness to lynch Auro, he's changed his tune.

[Auro]

Everyone has auro in their scumpool somewhere. This isn't coincidence. Let's just go for it.

3 scum, 5 town.
All 3 scum in my solve have me in their scumpools.
*No* town has me in their scumpool, except you (which you can't justify) - Egix, Ruby, and we don't know Nako's pool.

Indeed it isn't coincidence, it's scum pushing me as a mislynch, and you buying it.

[Something_Smart]

Your solve makes no sense at all though.

[Auro]

Which part of it doesn't make sense to you?

[Something_Smart]

Do you seriously think I'm scum with Succinct?