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[5] Tchill13

:

Persivul (199), xwing (263), Flubbernugget (324), Dannflor (328), JunkoChan (339)

[3] Gamma Emerald

:

Haschel Cedricson (59), BuJaber (281), Egix96 (286)

[1] xwing

:

Tchill13 (133)

[1] BuJaber

:

rosterfoster (338)

[3] Not Voting

:

Sashaddin (213), Gamma Emerald (251), Slaxx (342)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-30 01:15:00)

Mod Notes

:

xwing is V/LA until Tuesday.

[Sashaddin]

4 votes in post 325
Danflor 328 (5)
Roster 334 (6)
(Danflor calls L-1)
Junko 339 (7-hammer), think it's hammer then L-1
Slaxx unvotes 342

Why the quickhammer Junko?

Ah Roosterswitched votes in-between, that's what got me fooled.

[Sashaddin]

Also I'm bored and want to end this boring day cuz being town is boring

did I say I was bored yet?

for me it is only entertaining once we reach later days

I agree I hate Day 1 as well, I never offer good performances so early. No flips yet makes it all speculation.
But, still, I found your move extremely scummy given the context. 348 is not helping your case at all. Let's put my money somewhere...

VOTE: JunkoChan

[Sashaddin]

209 is pretty bad.

Look at what happened: Junko wanted to quickhammer Tchill. Is 209 still that bad now?

[rosterfoster]

Tchill, it isn’t really a read list that we/I want, it’s more ‘what do you think about what happened?’

Actually hammering now wouldn’t have been that bad (although I don’t like that Junko did it). So long as you declare L-1 I don’t see any reason to avoid it. And the main problem with that is that you seem to be treading very carefully about where you put your vote.

[Flubbernugget]

Why are you comming with this wagon right when Tchill is about to die makes me go mmhmmm

also, I'm okay with this VOTE: Tchill

Also, your hammer comes on a player you never ever mentioned once during this game yet. Sheeping for a hammer?

looking for a easy way to throw suspicion on me? I just think is a good lynch, I don't have to mention the guy to vote him or do I?

white knighting much?

Uhhhh

Do you

know

tchill to be town or something??

[Dannflor]

Don't think Junko's quick hammer attempt comes from scum

[Flubbernugget]

I thought the same thing but idk how I feel about their follow up

[Slaxx]

I’m scumreading Sash again, especially if tchill flips red here.

[Slaxx]

Why are you comming with this wagon right when Tchill is about to die makes me go mmhmmm

also, I'm okay with this VOTE: Tchill

Also, your hammer comes on a player you never ever mentioned once during this game yet. Sheeping for a hammer?

Actually maybe not. I didn’t catch this piece of reasoning. On first read.

[JunkoChan]

Why are you comming with this wagon right when Tchill is about to die makes me go mmhmmm

also, I'm okay with this VOTE: Tchill

Also, your hammer comes on a player you never ever mentioned once during this game yet. Sheeping for a hammer?

looking for a easy way to throw suspicion on me? I just think is a good lynch, I don't have to mention the guy to vote him or do I?

white knighting much?

Uhhhh

Do you

know

tchill to be town or something??

are you mentally ill? of course I don't and I mean, he could be white knighting tchill with that "attempt to L-1" and then 180 into Bujager who had literally 0 votes on him, like I said is common scum strategy and I used it in my last scum game.

also if Bujader was rosterfoster "top scum read" he would be higher on his reads and he is not, why lie about it?

[JunkoChan]

Ok. I do feel as if I've been somewhat of a spectator, so I'm just going to do this from the start.

Spoiler: Tchill13

All the posts are bad. No substance at all. Pretty scummy.

Spoiler: xwing

Obviously I didn't like the opener. 198 is so contrived, and does virtually nothing to explain what was going on with the opener (the whole reason for the wagon). 227 is still really non-commital. I did not get anything like this when I played with town Xwing. It seems to me like trying to get on the good side of dan and Slaxx. [pst]245[/post] is complete garbage. There are no opinions given at all by Xwing. And I still struggle to see any reasons for anything he thinks.

Spoiler: Dannflor

I have no idea why I found his posts scummy. I don't actually think scum would try so hard to prevent a wagon on me. It provoked a pretty strong discussion which is exactly what he would want to avoid as scum.

Spoiler: JunkoChan

Starts off roleplaying with Gamma, then votes me for completely spurious reasons (24). Completely ignores my explanation of the naked vote. I do think the scumread is just a site meta thing though. It does bug me that she never addressed my response, but that isn't scummy at all (maybe even some slight town-inspired carelessness).

Spoiler: Gamma Emerald

I struggle to understand all the hate towards this. The start of the wagon seemed completely meaningless (based on 58, really?). But I don't so much object to that as it was pretty early on.

Spoiler: Sashaddin

There is a lack of conviction in some of their posts (I'm looking at you, 146). 209 is pretty bad. There is just no posts of real substance there. And then there's 306 which just comes from nowhere and almost feels made-up. I don't like this slot.

Spoiler: BuJaber

Obviously the entrance is pretty null. I don't like 68, 69, 71 or 76 though. They are very prescriptive on what people 'should' be doing, which I don't like, as the whole point of Mafia as I understand it is to understand the motivation behind doing things in a certain way. I don't see much town motivation in trying to make everyone play like robots. Oh and 86. I'm actually not liking this at all. Literally all he talks about is vagueries related to how a generic game 'might' go. This is active lurking, tbh. It just seems reasonably active when reading it superficially, but he's not saying anything at all. And the whole 'expectations' stuff (126). Sasha's post was so different to Xwing's, and it's also not fencesitty. This is a much more sneaky version of Xwing. [pst]128[/post] is so so so bad. Like he's literally saying why Xwing is his bigger scumread, but keeps the vote on Sasha. Why? Oh, perhaps because there's a wagon on Xwing already. 252 is at least a little bit more assertive, but there is still no opinions about what people said actually means, just some slightly irrelevant questions. 285 is again avoiding giving any thoughts about who is scum, instead using some dodgy 'who is voting who' analysis which I do not feel comes from town.

Spoiler: Slaxx

I like his approach. Very good at getting reactions. I do feel like this is a genuine attempt to scumhunt, so seems townie to me.

Spoiler: Persivul

The anger is real. Slightly swingy player it seems but very townie.

Spoiler: Egix96

Null. I don't know why people townread this, but it doesn't feel bad to me. I do find myself not remembering anything he says though.

Spoiler: Flubbernugget

I get similar vibes to Egix. Nothing particularly scummy, I just struggle to find anything that he says memorable. So pretty null.

Spoiler: Haschel Cedricson

I like this slot. 39 comes off townie to me, and the constant attempts to force answers out of people feels like genuine scumhunting to me. 239 to 242 are really good.

I'd love to vote Bujaber, but that isn't going anywhere. Still think Xwing is pretty scummy, but ditto. Tchill is scummy, so is sashadinn. At least Tchill has a wagon.

Town: Haschel, Dann, Persivul, Slaxx

Null: Egix, Flubber, Junko, Gamma,

Scum: Tchill, Xwing, Sashaddin, Bujaber

(Yes I am aware there is almost certainly not 4 scum. Shoot me).

VOTE: Tchill

Rosterfoster's read list for reference

[rosterfoster]

There wasn’t an order. I should probably have layed that out better it I think it’s pretty clear my first preference is Bujaber, no? I still don’t understand why you feel I was ‘180’-ing. Dan indicated some willingness to lynch Bujaber so I moved to see if that would happen. I suggest you read the thread again if you think I’m lying about that.

[Dannflor]

I asked why you were so sure a BuJaber wagon wouldn't go anywhere, particularly since that's your top scum read. I said I was voting him earlier (I was), I don't know if I'm willing to vote him now. I just wanted you to elaborate on that.

[JunkoChan]

he didn't vote Bujaber, but you jumped while you were at L-1 on Tchill, on the same page, why even put Tchill on L-1 if you are not going to wait for him to say anything and then jump out?

I tried to hammer Tchill because I'm convinced that he is a good bet for scum.

[rosterfoster]

Well I misunderstood that a little then.

I thought there was more chance of Bujaber happening than there is.

You seem to be assuming that I had my next post planned when I voted Tchill. I really didn’t.

Anyway, I’m kind of back to the same point as before.

VOTE: Tchill

That’s L-1

Now please do give us some more of your thoughts about the game.

[Dannflor]

If BuJaber is your top scum read why would you not try to persuade people to join you there?

[rosterfoster]

I have said why I think he’s scum (spoiler in 334). If people don’t agree with me that’s their problem. I’m not going to go round hard-tunnelling, especially when I don’t have a reaction to this from Bujaber yet.

[Flubbernugget]

Why are you comming with this wagon right when Tchill is about to die makes me go mmhmmm

also, I'm okay with this VOTE: Tchill

Also, your hammer comes on a player you never ever mentioned once during this game yet. Sheeping for a hammer?

looking for a easy way to throw suspicion on me? I just think is a good lynch, I don't have to mention the guy to vote him or do I?

white knighting much?

Uhhhh

Do you

know

tchill to be town or something??

are you mentally ill? of course I don't and I mean, he could be white knighting tchill with that "attempt to L-1" and then 180 into Bujager who had literally 0 votes on him, like I said is common scum strategy and I used it in my last scum game.

also if Bujader was rosterfoster "top scum read" he would be higher on his reads and he is not, why lie about it?

You just tried to hammer without a claim and are shading people for finding it suspicious

[Flubbernugget]

If BuJaber is your top scum read why would you not try to persuade people to join you there?

Qft

There's a lot of ilk on this wagon rn

[Flubbernugget]

UNVOTE:

[Dannflor]

he could be white knighting tchill with that "attempt to L-1" and then 180 into Bujager who had literally 0 votes on him

I believe you're conflating Sashaddin and rosterfoster here

[JunkoChan]

he could be white knighting tchill with that "attempt to L-1" and then 180 into Bujager who had literally 0 votes on him

I believe you're conflating Sashaddin and rosterfoster here

no I'm not

[Dannflor]

Why are you comming with this wagon right when Tchill is about to die makes me go mmhmmm

also, I'm okay with this VOTE: Tchill

Also, your hammer comes on a player you never ever mentioned once during this game yet. Sheeping for a hammer?

looking for a easy way to throw suspicion on me? I just think is a good lynch, I don't have to mention the guy to vote him or do I?

white knighting much?

I thought you were calling out Sashaddin for white knighting here but then your later post makes me think you're talking about roster

[Sashaddin]

inb4 Junko scum for hammering

You can run, but you can't hide.
The more I think about it... you have had weirdest reaction lately and I don't see it it as good. Especially 249, 260 and the hammer.
VOTE: JunkoChan