Prey Mafia - Game Over

implosion · Post Post #600 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:38 pm

In post 544, Chara wrote:Robert does seem lynchbaity, but i'm usually pretty good at finding the town in that, and i'm not seeing it here.

What do you think of the point I just brought up in 596?

Chara · Post Post #601 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:45 pm

In post 596, implosion wrote:Honestly Robert is probably null too. He just feels... idk. His posting is really meh but there's not a ton of scum motivation around much of it. Like his mcqueen vote and his defense of it is kind of a dumb thing to do as scum. Actually think he's town the more I look at his recent posting.

i can agree with it. it's not a great play as scum but it also isn't a good town play, which is why i find it hard to townread.
i'm okay with the vote there because of how i feel on the rest of the list, though my reads are much weaker than i normally like to PoE with.
i'm also scumreading Varsoon but i would not lynch him today.
redtea feels null but the arguments for scum her make logical sense, so it's a fine wagon too. in hindsight i suppose scum Robert (why i avoided the redtea wagon) would probably do something other than bemoan the wagon and say he no longer scumread her, if she was town and he scum.

Varsoon · Post Post #602 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:59 am

@implosion: Nah, dude, you're just scum, and if I had my vote, I'd be voting you. I'd be more than happy to see you flip today and the fact that you've doubled down on me and Red Tea feels like you're just shipping out the easiest scumreads without any worthwhile interactions with either slot.

If you think I wouldn't get irritated re: my role and others giving me shit for my play, I welcome you to visit my profile and go read any of my last half-dozen games, where I've consistently been aggro on that front to the point of receiving a signup ban.

You keep applying this standard net for what is scum play or not in order to malign me instead of actually thinking of what makes sense coming from me; you aren't engaging with me at all, you're just calling me scum and justifying it with whatever reason sounds good.

Varsoon · Post Post #603 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:00 am

I don't think that failure to have conviction is a scum tell either, so I don't understand how you can find your stance re: Red Tea defensible. If anything, Day 1 aimlessness is a trait I associate with town.

Papa Zito · Post Post #604 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:20 am

In post 581, Robert2424 wrote:Why you trying to say my vote on Mcqueen was same reasons as my reasons as my reasoning for voting Redtea earlyeir.

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Ok, let's go through this step by step.

In post 456, Robert2424 wrote:
Vote Mcqueen

Policy.

Here you vote Mcqueen for "policy." You're asked about what policy means.

In post 459, Robert2424 wrote:Naked votes are lack of effort and scummy.

In post 467, Robert2424 wrote:Because more often then not its a scum tactic, Happened in a recent game and I'm not going to change my mind simply cause you vote me. Surprise surprise who flipped scum that game too....

So here you're saying what the policy is and why. Note that you're continuing to talk about Mcqueen here. Redtea is not mentioned.

In post 469, Robert2424 wrote:I voted for activity, there is a difference.

Here you defend again. And again, no mention of redtea.

In post 581, Robert2424 wrote:Why you trying to say my vote on Mcqueen was same reasons as my reasons as my reasoning for voting Redtea earlyeir.

Now suddenly you're trying to say we're talking about redtea? Hello?

Explain why your vote remains on Mcqueen.

Almost50 · Post Post #605 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:19 am

Ok, since "that game" is over, I can now declare skitter as a confident TR of mine. As annoying to me as she might be in this game, she has proven that she can't post like this as scum.

Almost50 · Post Post #606 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:20 am

Erm, Chara & Robert know exactly what I'm talking about. Right?

Almost50 · Post Post #607 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:26 am

In post 586, skitter30 wrote:his tone is at best nai, if not actually scummy

And you should know better. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture. (I -of course- won't tell you what to look for. At least not until I can mimic my scum play as Town in this very aspect).

Almost50 · Post Post #608 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:29 am

In post 596, implosion wrote:A50 and Persivul are null because I don't know how to confidently read into what they do yet.

I won't comment on myself, but I've been trying to figure a way to read Percy's play for 3 years now, and I have yet to figure out how tell his alignment through his play, reads, votes.. etc.

Almost50 · Post Post #609 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:31 am

Note: I was as confident as it gets that Percy was scum in our previous game together, and he kept asserting I was scum from the get go. It took us 5 days (and his own flip) to realize we were both wrong.

Papa Zito · Post Post #610 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:32 am

Oh lord have mercy the teehee meta has arrived.

Almost50 · Post Post #611 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:36 am

I can understand Chara's skepticism of me though. Even

inside our own hydra PT

they sometimes get confused as to what I'm doing. It's a matter of playing styles differences. Ironically, I believe that's one major reason why our hydra works just fine. Two people who play totally different from each other, so even inside the hydra PT we are having fun debating our play, reads and what not.

Almost50 · Post Post #612 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:38 am

In post 610, Papa Zito wrote:Oh lord have mercy the teehee meta has arrived.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

Papa Zito · Post Post #613 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:16 am

Why thank you.

A robert vote would be a great present.

Almost50 · Post Post #614 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:48 am

Robert is one of 4 slots I have absolutely no reads on. Why is he scum to you?

P.S. The other 3 are you, redtea and Percy. Toss in implosion and mcqueen and you get my 6-players lynch pool. I just can't get to decide which of them to vote over the others, and I need a case (i.e. not a gut read).

Papa Zito · Post Post #615 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:27 am

There's nothing gut about it. Show me one redeeming post from that slot. One nugget that promotes a town agenda.

Varsoon · Post Post #616 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:28 am

I poop more townie nuggets

Varsoon · Post Post #617 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:28 am

I still couldn't tell you what Robert has done this game so maybe there's a nugget of truth to that? I dunno, though.

Enter · Post Post #618 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:33 am

In post 615, Papa Zito wrote:There's nothing gut about it. Show me one redeeming post from that slot. One nugget that promotes a town agenda.

I can't.

VOTE: Robert2424

Varsoon · Post Post #619 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:35 am

Don't break your neck from being so eager, Enter.

Enter · Post Post #620 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:37 am

In post 619, Varsoon wrote:Don't break your neck from being so eager, Enter.

As stated like twice before, I'm OK with Robert, Elbirn, or Persivul. If people are waiting for Robert to be a viable Lynch, I'll give them that.

Varsoon · Post Post #621 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:57 am

OK with and passionate for a lynch on scum are worlds apart for me.
You really don't have anyone you think is absolutely gonna flip red?

Enter · Post Post #622 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:02 am

In post 621, Varsoon wrote:OK with and passionate for a lynch on scum are worlds apart for me.
You really don't have anyone you think is absolutely gonna flip red?

I think Elbirn, Robert, and Persivul will flip red. I don't feel strongly about it, though, if that's what you're asking.

Elbirn · Post Post #623 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:11 am

@Chara

In post 438, Chara wrote:mcqueen might be my most confident townread and i need to examine why. i remember feeling strongly about it while browsing at work but i need to re-ISO.

Can you talk to me about your McQueen read? I'm coming around to him being okay but I don't see content that would make him worthy of the lofty title of "Most Confident TownRead"

Elbirn · Post Post #624 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:11 am

@BrightEyedFish

In post 441, BrightEyedFish wrote:According to my own personal stats elbrin is scum for being the 3rd person on the redtea wagon and I TR redtea, so...

VOTE: Elbrin

Do you have an actual reason for thinking I'm scum or is it just that I'm voting for your townread?

In post 442, BrightEyedFish wrote:And a Varsoon/elbrin team makes sense to me.

In post 520, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 519, redtea wrote:@BEF Varsoon/Elbirn is too obvious. Do they like to play with fire? Do you think they've slipped already?
I think the exchange between Varsoon and Elbirn were superficial and playful with the hint of an inside joke. Also comparing that with Minh's comments and his interaction with Varsoon, I sense a connection there.

Varsoon and I have played together several times, and there was a stretch of time a few years ago where I was practically guaranteed to sign up for all of his games. We also both have really nice shades.

Like I wish we were scum here because I've been waiting for that day to arrive, but unfortunately you're detecting chumminess, and not partner tells.

In post 528, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 527, Varsoon wrote:What makes you scumread Elbirn so hard?

And, really, a hesitation to townread any slot--can you go more into that? Even players like Zito and A50?
I want to think players like that could be Town but then WIFOM comes into play and I hesitate. My reads smoothen out as the days progress but right now I can't rule anyone out as Town or Scum.

I don't really know what to make of this alignment wise. Chalking *anything* up to WIFOM is my trigger, it baffles and upsets me to see people cover their ears and go "lalalala nothing is certain" and throw logic out the window. WIFOM isn't even an accurate buzzword to use here, just....literally play the game. Which you're not doing if you don't commit to stances.

I'm not asking you to have a set in stone read on anyone at this stage, but you have to think something about the gamestate. Who would you absolutely not lynch today?

Actually I just realized, you won't townread anyone, but redtea is a townread and that is why you're voting me?