@Implosion
In post 598, implosion wrote:Re: redtea's recent posting. She has a strong tendency to say things that aren't actually meaningful analysis or reads, just speculation. 519 speculating about partner tells, calling it too obvious, and then not really concluding with anything meaningful. The third party stuff that fits in with her being scum who is looking for things to say without real reads and reasoning behind them.
Her current vote is vanity on A50, and she hasn't discussed the other leading wagon (Robert) at all. She says things like calling Elbirn's read on me "a little surprising to throw out there", wondering about A50's role, vaguely speculating about the neighborhood. She loosely implies a possible scumread on me but doesn'treallycommit to it; she speculates about A50's role and here actually does take a stance eventually voting him, but for being possibly third party? And she talks about how she'd play if she were in the neighborhood, and speculates that there's probably scum in it, but never actually calls anyone scum or anyone's actions scummy.
I like the words you're saying here, but can you give me a definitive stance on RedTea? Because reading it the first time I thought you were trying to say "RedTea is just like this, it's how she is, she has a tendency to say things that aren't actually meaningful blabla" which I took as some metaread or saying she's NAI or something or other, but then you keep going and seem to be pointing out obviously scummy things. My reading comprehension isn't helping me right now, what do you read RedTea as right now?In post 599, implosion wrote:Re: Varsoon. I think Varsoon is frequently being defensive in a scummy way; defensiveness isn't a tell per se, but the way he's acting defensive is scummy.
First off, of course, there's the stuff around votelessness. His tone is essentially not purely defensive, but dismissive; it's dismissive of other peoples' ability to question him. I think that town who sees that people are asking questions that amount to rolefishing might point this out and maybe even call people scum for it, but he seems really irritated by it. I think town is probably content in knowing that they're just not going to answer the questions and wouldn't really care that they're being pestered because they know they're never going to answer any questions that don't need answering, but that scum who's setting up some fakeclaim has good reason to be annoyed at people trying to ask more questions about his role. His defensiveness in response to me similarly is very irritated. I think town could certainly misconstrue the argument I'm making in this way, but to immediately jump from it being a bad stance to "implosion gives me the worst vibes" when his previous read on me was "implosion exists?" is just not a town trajectory for the read. Saying that he thinks my response is scummy and then saying that I give him bad "vibes" is also really weird. It feels like he thinks my argument is bad and wants to call me scum for it, but doesn't think he can get away with calling me scum for the argument itself.
This might be rambly.
As for Varsoon, I like that you think the things you're thinking, but he's also a defensive aggressive sort and he just.. does things like this. Earlier I said I always scumread Varsoon? He always plays scummy and I never know what to do with it. But him throwing a fit over people questioning him is what I would expect from Varsoon regardless of alignment. I think if he's scum here, it's not because of his defensiveness. There might be a case to be made that he went about revealing his role in a scummy way, idk if he's town varsoon going for transparency or scum varsoon going for brownie points, cuz he could have easily PM'd the mod about the vote counts instead of making a show out of it. It seemed done in a way to look like he's being a goodboi, but he basically, if town, let scum know that he's a PR. Why?
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