Prey Mafia - Game Over

Chara · Post Post #750 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:46 am

In post 709, redtea wrote:I know Zito wasn't asking me, but Persivul sounds like he's trying to lead people along, and using the pressing deadline to obfuscate the sudden push.
Would rather lynch him, actually. Decent SR on him anyway. This doesn't have to do with any read on Robert, for the record. This could easily be a bus.
VOTE: Persivul
More pending

contrasting redtea here who may have mad a subpar decision to try and start a new wagon, but is still happily open to the possibility of lynching Robert.

Enter · Post Post #751 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:53 am

In post 749, Chara wrote:
In post 746, Enter wrote:Please explain.
high stubborness and low survivability. it's towny.

He seems more absent and apathetic than stubborn and not really caring about his survival. I might be tempted to agree with you on the survivability thing if it even looked like he was close to being lynched, and he doesn't have that frustration I expect from a townie.

Enter · Post Post #752 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:53 am

Absence and apathy, BTW, are traits most commonly seen in scum, from my experience.

Xtoxm · Post Post #753 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:54 am

VC 1.21

[5] redtea:

skitter30, implosion, Chara, Almost50, BrightEyedFish

[4] Robert2424:

Papa Zito, Persivul, Enter, Elbirn

[1] mcqueen:

Robert2424

[1] Persivul:

redtea

[2] Not Voting:

Varsoon, mcqueen

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-02-01 18:00:00)

Mod Note:

Reminder that no lynch will occur if a majority is not reached at deadline.

Spoiler:

Papa Zito · Post Post #754 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:06 am

In post 750, Chara wrote:contrasting redtea here who may have mad a subpar decision to try and start a new wagon, but is still happily open to the possibility of lynching Robert.

Where do you disagree with my 725 assessment of redtea?

Do you think Robert really needs to care about his wagon so long as redtea's continues to be the top one?

Enter · Post Post #755 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:07 am

In post 750, Chara wrote:
In post 709, redtea wrote:I know Zito wasn't asking me, but Persivul sounds like he's trying to lead people along, and using the pressing deadline to obfuscate the sudden push.
Would rather lynch him, actually. Decent SR on him anyway. This doesn't have to do with any read on Robert, for the record. This could easily be a bus.
VOTE: Persivul
More pending
contrasting redtea here who may have mad a subpar decision to try and start a new wagon, but is still happily open to the possibility of lynching Robert.

redtea shows less survivability than robert.

skitter30 · Post Post #756 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:10 am

i don't particularly think that robert is flipping scum but a lynch needs to happen and we need time for claims and all that jazz and the redtea one has been curiously stalled despite me pushing it like forever so

VOTE: robert

if this flips town i'm pushing like everyone currently on the robert wagon tomorrow - elbirn + redtea

Enter · Post Post #757 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:24 am

In post 756, skitter30 wrote:if this flips town i'm pushing like everyone currently on the robert wagon tomorrow - elbirn + redtea

Did you mean what you said here?

skitter30 · Post Post #758 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:28 am

Chara · Post Post #759 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:30 am

In post 754, Papa Zito wrote:
In post 750, Chara wrote:contrasting redtea here who may have mad a subpar decision to try and start a new wagon, but is still happily open to the possibility of lynching Robert.
Where do you disagree with my 725 assessment of redtea?

Do you think Robert really needs to care about his wagon so long as redtea's continues to be the top one?

that's what i was referencing in my post, i don't think what redtea did was a

good

idea if scum but i can see an attempt to do something besides simply vote her counterwagon (which does not often help the scum escape the lynch on its own).

Chara · Post Post #760 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:30 am

and i think he does need to care since redtea being the top one doesn't guarantee she'll remain so.
i also find Robert's tone a lot more stubborn even if he has less posts.

Elbirn · Post Post #761 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:32 am

In post 756, skitter30 wrote:i don't particularly think that robert is flipping scum but a lynch needs to happen and we need time for claims and all that jazz and the redtea one has been curiously stalled despite me pushing it like forever so

VOTE: robert

if this flips town i'm pushing like everyone currently on the robert wagon tomorrow - elbirn + redtea

Skitter you know I'm town, shush. Believe in me. Believe in the d r e a m

Enter · Post Post #762 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:32 am

In post 758, skitter30 wrote:yep

So you're saying that you're mad about not lynching redtea, but if the wagon opposing redtea flips town, you won't push redtea anymore?

Chara · Post Post #763 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:32 am

In post 740, Robert2424 wrote:Mcqueen is a policy, naking voting is crap and don't care what people say. It looks scummy to me, hence he's on my scum read.

@Persivul, I do have a question for you. Say you somehow do manage to get me lynched today, would it be Rocket Science that when I flip town, cause I'm going to Flip town, that it was you who pushed so hard to lynch a townie that you should be on the chopping block?

Still waiting for somebody to explain the Redtea wagon.

it's really this portion here that made me more confident on the subject. "naked voting is crap and i don't care what you say" is a strong assertion.

skitter30 · Post Post #764 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:34 am

? maybe i didn't convey what i'm saying well because i don't think either of you understood me

if robert flipped town i'd push: persivul, enter, papa zito and redtea
i would not push elbirn because i'm pretty sure he's town even though he's voting badly

Chara · Post Post #765 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:37 am

it's also worth it to note that i just spectated a game with scum Robert. his scumplay wasn't especially strong and all of his stances were weak, it felt like he was more just trying to go through the motions. the emotion that's here is missing as well.
i'm not saying i'm metaing him on one game, what i did was read him here first, and then go and check the other game and find it consistent.

saying "screw you" to the majority of the playerlist (not in so many words but rather in action) is something i find fairly towny. i also don't take disengagement or apathy as scummy, Enter, seeing as i see town do it unfortunately often.

Chara · Post Post #766 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:38 am

In post 467, Robert2424 wrote:Because more often then not its a scum tactic, Happened in a recent game and I'm not going to change my mind simply cause you vote me. Surprise surprise who flipped scum that game too....

i didn't see it earlier, but i'm townreading this post too.

Enter · Post Post #767 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:39 am

In post 764, skitter30 wrote:? maybe i didn't convey what i'm saying well because i don't think either of you understood me

if robert flipped town i'd push: persivul, enter, papa zito and redtea
i would not push elbirn because i'm pretty sure he's town even though he's voting badly

Oh. Yes I didn't understand the first time. I follow now.

In post 765, Chara wrote:it's also worth it to note that i just spectated a game with scum Robert. his scumplay wasn't especially strong and all of his stances were weak, it felt like he was more just trying to go through the motions. the emotion that's here is missing as well.
i'm not saying i'm metaing him on one game, what i did was read him here first, and then go and check the other game and find it consistent.

saying "screw you" to the majority of the playerlist (not in so many words but rather in action) is something i find fairly towny. i also don't take disengagement or apathy as scummy, Enter, seeing as i see town do it unfortunately often.

Are you saying he does have emotion in this game? Because I don't really see it. Maybe a couple faint glimmers, but not much more than that - nothing that feels real.

mcqueen · Post Post #768 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:40 am

Chara what are your reads?

skitter30 · Post Post #769 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:41 am

i agree with 765 fwiw

i really just don't want to end up in a 6-6 scenario with varsoon being unable to vote and a no-lynch happening

i guess i'm kinda at bad lynch > no lynch

Papa Zito · Post Post #770 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:44 am

In post 764, skitter30 wrote:? maybe i didn't convey what i'm saying well because i don't think either of you understood me

if robert flipped town i'd push: persivul, enter, papa zito and redtea
i would not push elbirn because i'm pretty sure he's town even though he's voting badly

Pretend Robert flipped town. Push me now.

In post 765, Chara wrote:saying "screw you" to the majority of the playerlist (not in so many words but rather in action) is something i find fairly towny. i also don't take disengagement or apathy as scummy, Enter, seeing as i see town do it unfortunately often.

Can you give me the redtea case in your own words please?

Chara · Post Post #771 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:46 am

In post 767, Enter wrote:Are you saying he does have emotion in this game? Because I don't really see it. Maybe a couple faint glimmers, but not much more than that - nothing that feels real.

i do, and emotion reading is one of the few things i'm confident in. and yes, scum can be emotional.
we can agree to disagree but i'll assert it's definitely there in the posts i quoted. there's an energy and a belief he's spouting, and one that doesn't seem directed to a scum agenda. i think he's a bad lynch.

mcqueen: i've been focussing entirely on the two wagons since i got back. i have a townread on Robert and a scumread on redtea. the scumread isn't as strong as i'd like but it's there and i plan to push it until deadline hits.

you're town, skitter's town, Almost might be town (will come back to this), Elbirn's town, imp is town. i see the arguments for town Fish but i haven't given him a good look in a bit and don't know where my read is. rest of the list is in reads purgatory until i re-orient myself.

i have very limited time so i'm focussing on what's immediately important.

Chara · Post Post #772 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:49 am

In post 770, Papa Zito wrote:Can you give me the redtea case in your own words please?

not a townread, and lower than a nullread. counter to a wagon i think is town. soft stances that don't commit and soft support of the Robert wagon.

skitter30 · Post Post #773 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:50 am

@papa zito

if robert is scum i don't think you bussed him; your push on him rn doesn't look like a bussing push

but if he's town you've basically spent the last few days corraling votes onto lynchbait who didn't actually do anything scummy while contributing to the resistance of a wagon on someone who actually *has* been scummy; i said this already but i find pushing someone day1 for 'lack of towniness' (ie as opposed to pushing someone for being actively scummy) to be incredibly suspect and how scum garner mislynches

so how i read you is kinda flip-dependant

Enter · Post Post #774 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:54 am

In post 772, Chara wrote:
In post 770, Papa Zito wrote:Can you give me the redtea case in your own words please?
not a townread, and lower than a nullread. counter to a wagon i think is town. soft stances that don't commit and soft support of the Robert wagon.

Explain the "counter to a wagon i think is town," because if you mean what I think you mean, this part is laughable and that makes the rest of your case look flimsy and fake.

And as far as soft push on Robert, I'm not seeing a strong case for Robert scum either. I don't see a strong case for anyone as scum. It's just the absence of a case for me to read him town, and he's one of the people I'm not reading as town right now.

Also I refuse to allow a redtea push as much as it is in my power, because she is my strongest town read.

In post 771, Chara wrote:
In post 767, Enter wrote:Are you saying he does have emotion in this game? Because I don't really see it. Maybe a couple faint glimmers, but not much more than that - nothing that feels real.
i do, and emotion reading is one of the few things i'm confident in. and yes, scum can be emotional.
we can agree to disagree but i'll assert it's definitely there in the posts i quoted. there's an energy and a belief he's spouting, and one that doesn't seem directed to a scum agenda. i think he's a bad lynch.

mcqueen: i've been focussing entirely on the two wagons since i got back. i have a townread on Robert and a scumread on redtea. the scumread isn't as strong as i'd like but it's there and i plan to push it until deadline hits.

you're town, skitter's town, Almost might be town (will come back to this), Elbirn's town, imp is town. i see the arguments for town Fish but i haven't given him a good look in a bit and don't know where my read is. rest of the list is in reads purgatory until i re-orient myself.

i have very limited time so i'm focussing on what's immediately important.

I'm not saying scum can't be emotional, I'm saying robert is not.